Stirling Grand Responsive Template

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Originally Posted by DivaVocals

Boy this whole responsive thing is a LOT of work.. :laugh: Lots of stuff to take into consideration.. I'm having to re-examine ALL the appearance mods I normally use.. Especially all the mods which have actions (like on hover) which are not supported by mobile devices..


I'm still researching and narrowing down the menu I will use.. I will totally share with you when I find something suitable..:smile:

The issue with that Anne is the larger touchscreen devices which may have the SAME screen resolution as a desktop computer (like my Netbook or Surface device, and even my Android tablet).. I don't necessarily want to replace the mega menu with the responsive drop menu for all devices.. I rather like the mega menu.:smile: I think the solution for me will be a mega menu presented on larger mobile/touchscreen devices which supports onClick versus onHover actions.

Basically I'm looking for a responsive mega menu similar to the one you are currently using, but I need one that does more than simply use media queries to detect screen resolution.. I would prefer that the menu also detect whether or not the viewing device is a mobile/touchcreen device and present an alternate version of the mega menu which supports onClick actions. That kind of functionality requires some javascript or jQuery magic to make it work.

Ideally this would mean that if the device detected is a mobile/touchscreen device, and IF this device is one of the larger mobile/touchscreen devices (meaning that it will not hit one of the media queries which presents the responsive drop menu), THEN present a mega menu which the action for the menu will be an onClick action versus onHover.

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Yes, but for a free template package, I think that dropping back to a simple drop down menu that works on all touch screen or full screen devices is an acceptable solution ;) For those who want a more custom solution, they can always hire a programmer/designer to provide one.

Let me know if you find a good mega menu sub that can possibly be incorporated into the free template packages ;)

Thanks,

Anne

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Originally Posted by picaflor-azul

Yes, but for a free template package, I think that dropping back to a simple drop down menu that works on all touch screen or full screen devices is an acceptable solution ;) For those who want a more custom solution, they can always hire a programmer/designer to provide one.

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You get no disagreement from me on this point..:smile: and for RixStix, this might be a viable solution for him as well.. I'm not so sure that this is what my client will want which is why I am seeking an alternate..

I am going to put some effort into seeing if I can avoid having to hire someone and see if I can find an existing solution which meets my needs.. (as you know the web is FULL of free solutions if one is willing to do some digging.. :laugh:) BUT if I am unable to find something suitable, I have no issue paying a developer to come up with a solution that matches my spec/needs

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Originally Posted by picaflor-azul

Let me know if you find a good mega menu sub that can possibly be incorporated into the free template packages ;)

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If I do I will for sure let you know!! :smile:


Anyway I don't want to hijack your support thread anymore on this topic.. If I find something that is helpful/on topic, I will share with the class..:smile:

Think of tablets and phones like wendy's and taco bell. Simple, easy and fast.

While the on hover mega menus are a great functions for the desktop. The on click function will be needed for tablets and an even simpler toggle menu for phones.

Here are some pretty to implement responsive navigation examples: http://responsivenavigation.net/

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Originally Posted by rbarbour

Think of tablets and phones like wendy's and taco bell. Simple, easy and fast.

While the on hover mega menus are a great functions for the desktop. The on click function will be needed for tablets and an even simpler toggle menu for phones.

Here are some pretty to implement responsive navigation examples: http://responsivenavigation.net/

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Boom!! that's it.. hence what I am after.. the best of ALL worlds.. :smile:

So I may have stumbled upon a solution accidentally.. (okay okay.. so I needed another set of eyes to help me with this "revelation":laugh:) HA!.. So simple I can’t BELIEVE I MISSED IT!!! On my test site: http://zentestcart.overthehillweb.com/, I replaced the top level link where there were items "under" the top link with a "#", and “Bob’s yer uncle” the daggone mega menu now works on both touchsceen devices and desktop devices WITHOUT javascript.. On touchscreen devices (Android tablet and smartphone), the menu requires an onClick action and there is no weird half hover thing happening.. and on desktop devices onHover still works.. I can’t test this on an iPad or an iPhone (don’t own one).. I assume (hope) it will work the same..

Your mileage may vary, and I'm still trying to figure out if there is a downside to this (not seeing one yet).. Opinions???

TNX for all the comments from everyone. Spending money is always a reasonable option when a person comes to the end of their technical abilities. To me, it seems to be a problem if a responsive template only has full functionality when viewed on a desktop monitor. I've been (and will be) tied up with production work for a few days to come, so working through options are a week or so away for me.

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Originally Posted by DivaVocals

Your mileage may vary, and I'm still trying to figure out if there is a downside to this (not seeing one yet).. Opinions???

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Not that it would be much of an issue, the mouse scroll button seems to be disabled on your test site.... but then, touch devices don't have a mouse, do they? I'm curious to see the effect tomorrow when I get back to the Windows tablets, both Pro and RT

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Originally Posted by RixStix

TNX for all the comments from everyone. Spending money is always a reasonable option when a person comes to the end of their technical abilities. To me, it seems to be a problem if a responsive template only has full functionality when viewed on a desktop monitor. I've been (and will be) tied up with production work for a few days to come, so working through options are a week or so away for me.

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**nods in agreement**:yes:

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Originally Posted by RixStix

Not that it would be much of an issue, the mouse scroll button seems to be disabled on your test site.

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Well the disabled scroll seems to be a function of the template I'm using on the test site.. (same behavior is evident on the demo site for that template) The disabled scroll aside, I was only testing the mega menu.. I've NEVER tried to sort out the scroll button issue since it's a TEST site.. So I didn't much care why this particular issue was happening:laugh:, and besides tomorrow I could blow away the whole thing and start over.. **shrug**

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Originally Posted by RixStix

TNX for all the comments from everyone. Spending money is always a reasonable option when a person comes to the end of their technical abilities. To me, it seems to be a problem if a responsive template only has full functionality when viewed on a desktop monitor. I've been (and will be) tied up with production work for a few days to come, so working through options are a week or so away for me.



Not that it would be much of an issue, the mouse scroll button seems to be disabled on your test site.... but then, touch devices don't have a mouse, do they? I'm curious to see the effect tomorrow when I get back to the Windows tablets, both Pro and RT

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Well found the chink in the armour.. Had to change all the <a href="#" class="drop"> to <span class="drop"> otherwise you are redirected back to the home page every time you click the menu.. But even with this change, this is not the fully the right solution.. If you click on a product category with sub categories, you will be directed to the parent category before you can click on any of the subcategories..

The right solution is going to need javascript or jQuery to detect mobile/touchscreen devices and apply the correct behavior to the mega menu based on device.. It's clear to me that CSS only solutions are not going to provide this kind of functionality..

Creating different menus for different devices is very easy.

Anne, I apologize for the hijack of your support thread. Last post regarding this.

Take a look at the responsive classic to see how swapping the category tabs for a select is done.

Take a look at the responsive cold steel to see how the product listing header is swapped for the SNAF filter.

Simply using the minWidthHide and minWidthShow CSS classes at the appropriate CSS media query handles swapping with ease.

Keep the current mega menu for desktop.

Using minWidthHide and minWidthShow CSS classes to hide (ids and classes for the on hover CSS) and adding new (ids and classes for the on click CSS)

Example of new on click link

<a id="WHATEVER" href="<?php echo zen_href_link(FILENAME_DEFAULT, zen_get_all_get_params()); ?># " onclick="('');return false;">

Then using minWidthHide to hide both above and minWidthShow for the toggle menu on phones.

I have several new responsive plugins, just trying to find the time to get them packaged up.

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Originally Posted by RixStix

To me, it seems to be a problem if a responsive template only has full functionality when viewed on a desktop monitor.

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I just wanted to note that I can not test all touch screen devices in existence. On the list of handheld devices I have tested my responsive free template packages on, the only place where the mega menu is shown in on the full screen resolution of a desktop. On the tablets, ipads, and smaller the menu always switches to the touch friendly menu. Your's was the first time I saw the full resolution with the mega menu showing on a hand held device. Since this has been brought to my attention, I have been working on a solution.


Thanks,

Anne