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The old version of this mod uses a period at the end of the email address, not the new version. I have been using this mod with no problems at all for several months now, both on 1.3.6 and 1.3.7. What version of this mod are you using? What version of Zen are you using? Have you tried reinstalling the mod? 9 times out of 10, a file didn't transfer properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ft11
I actually reworded the login, so as not to say "check out".
I need a Spanish and French translation of the COWOA mod. Are these language packs included in the zip file as described above? If not, would it be possible to send me the zip file?Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS_Music
much appreciated..
I have this contribution working fine on my site.
I had a customer who placed an order using COWA and selected the Paypal payment, a couple of days later she tried to login to her account which she can not since she did not create a password.
She tried to create an account but she was told an account already exist with her email address, i suspect it the data that paypal pass back to the site which did that but i am not sure, any had that problem?
I logged in her account using the contribution "Encrypted_Master_Password" successfully but i was not able to reset or creat a password for her since i do not know the current password for that account.
Any idea or help in making COWA to have a password and the user can login? Thanks.
The whole point of COWA is to make the buyer think they've only given you what's needed to ship the product, without creating an account. That's what COWA means: CheckOut Without Account.Quote:
Any idea or help in making COWA to have a password and the user can login? Thanks.
If they can create a password, then the illusion is lost, and the point of installing the mod in the first place is lost.
COWA needs to be a part of Zen core code, and the ability to 'upgrade' a user from COWA status to account status just by adding a password needs to be part of Zen core code too. I don't think it would be possible (meaning cost effective) to add this to Zen from the outside. It needs to be part of the core code.
Rob
Rob,Quote:
Originally Posted by rstevenson
I know COWA is an illusion/lie to the customer.
I think you missed part of my question, since the customer used paypal and paypal transmit the data back to the site and now the customer can not create an account because he/she told that they have an account with us.
Was it paypal express? there is a setting in the admin panel that deals with an account being automatically created if the customer doesn't already have one and this can be set to true or false. Have you tried changing it to false?Quote:
Originally Posted by TamyA
Regarding resetting the password, can't the customer click the "forgot your password" link on the login page? It should email them a new password. If that doesn't work for any reason, have you tried the mass reset customer password mod? You reset their password by inserting a mySQL statement into you database through phpMyAdmin. Here's the link:
http://www.zen-cart.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=531
You just need to look up their customer ID in the admin/customers panel and insert that into the SQL statement along with the new password.
Let me know if that sorts it out for you. I think that everyone the uses paypal and COWA will run into this problem.
Matt
The payment type as indicated in the order is PayPal (not sure if that paypal or paypal express since i have both options on the site).Quote:
Originally Posted by lankeeyankee
Can you be more specific on where should i go to set that optionQuote:
there is a setting in the admin panel that deals with an account being automatically created if the customer doesn't already have one and this can be set to true or false. Have you tried changing it to false?
She said that she did that and nothing happened (what is nothing happened? i do not know since i can not replicate the process.Quote:
Regarding resetting the password, can't the customer click the "forgot your password" link on the login page? It should email them a new password.
I did not use that mode (i will try it later on) but this is what i did, i logged in her account using the master password and i tried to change the password but i could not since the current password required. I tried the master password i used to login to the account and it did not work, i tried to leave it blank but i got a message that the password should be at least 5 characters long.Quote:
If that doesn't work for any reason, have you tried the mass reset customer password mod?
In the admin panel go to modules/payment. Click on paypal express and choose the 'edit' button. Scroll down the edit box until you see the option to set the automatic account creation and set it to false, then save your settings. See if that does it, I haven't tried but I saw that function and thought it might help.Quote:
Originally Posted by TamyA
The encrypted master password mod seems to be limited in scope since you can only log into a customer's account but you can't reset their password which seems to defeat the point. :huh: The other mod should work better for you.
If nothing else, you can always delete the customer through your admin panel so she can start over.
Good luck!
Matt
Thanks Matt.
I set it up to false, i will have a friend try it for me since i was never been able to get the sandbox account to work.
I appreciate your help.
Hi can someone help, how to enable My Checkout Without Account only mode. What I want is for customers to come directly to this mode without choosing beetwen registration or Checkout Without Account.
Hello,
I figured out how to do something that others might be interested in.
I wanted to hide the default checkout button and only show the "Check out with Paypal express" button, as this is the only payment type I will offer.
My thoughts on this were that I am automatically creating an account for the customer with paypal checkout anyway, so this could be a good way to abbreviate the process.
I haven't fully tested this, but one known issue with this idea is that if you have a "free" check out requirement, you better not do this, as Paypal will not process a "free" payment. (for obvious reasons).
So, the good news is that you can just drop this into your custom template folder (or edit the one you have there if you have done other mods.
What I did:
I edited line 132 of tpl_shopping_cart_default.php and deleted this text:
That's it. If I discover I have blown up other aspects of my check out process I will be back to post a warning, but so far it looks good!Code:zen_image_button(BUTTON_IMAGE_CHECKOUT, BUTTON_CHECKOUT_ALT) .
Is there a way to integrate this with one page checkout?
I think this is a great little mod. I thought I would post a few things I would change if I had the skills.
It sends a welcome email even if the customer doesn't complete the order.
When you don't require an email salutation in the admin, the words "first name" get bumped up a few pixels so they become out of line with the text field.
Just pitching in my two cents!
With this mod, your customers should not be getting a welcome email at all if they choose to checkout without creating an account. I myself have not had any welcome emails going to anyone when they choose not to create an account. Not sure why it works correctly for some and not for others. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by leew04
The part about it sending an email even if they do not finish checking out has nothing to do with this mod though. That is how Zen Cart functions normally. An order does not have to be completed for a welcome email to be sent.
For some reason, I, the admin, always get a Welcome email no matter which type of checkout the customer chooses. The customer still gets the Welcome email only when they CO WITH Account. Could this be what's happening to you?
I didn't bother looking for a fix - I just turned off email notification for it. If anyone has a clue as to where to look to fix it, I would appreciate it!
I have it set up in my admin to receive a copy of all the emails sent to my customers.
I just placed a test COWA order on my site. As the admin, I received these emails:
[ACCOUNT CREATED!] Welcome to my shop
[NEW ORDER!] Order Confirmation No: 16856
[EXTRA CC ORDER info] #16856
As the customer, I received:
Order Confirmation No: 16856
On a COWA order, even though I am receiving a copy of a welcome email, the actual welcome email is not being sent to the customer.
Aha! Thank you. I thought there was something wrong with admin receiving welcome emails no matter what. I'm glad to know that it's working the way it should. I was getting sick of deleting all those welcome emails, so I just turned it off in admin. All is good. :smile:
Has anyone experienced a disappearing Header Wrapper along with its background image immediately after installing COWOA?
The main nav bar & every thing below it is unaffected.
http://www.irontail.com/index.php
are there any known issues with this mod and upgrading to 1.3.8?
I upgraded to 1.3.8 a few days ago and have left COWA off of my site for the time being until I can take a look at some of the files more carefully after xmas. People are more willing to create accounts right now because they really want to buy gifts for xmas, so its no big deal for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevefriedman71
I believe there were changes made to the tpl_login_default file (check the boards) because many of us were having problems with logging in. Zen 1.3.8 has an updated version of that file, but since that file was in our template folder, it was never updated. You have to make sure to upload it to your template folder when you install 1.3.8.
The problem is that the file is part of COWA, so it needs to be updated with COWA code. It doesn't look like it will be that difficult to fix, its just that I have absolutely no time right now. There may be other files too, but I won't know more until later. Since I am not the creator of this mod, I don't know for sure. After xmas, I will try to make everything hunky dory and if all goes well, I'll report back here. :smile:
So is there anyone working to update this mod with the new 3.8 stuff?
Please let me known of there is any work needed to make this mod working with 1.3.8a!! Please :lookaroun
Well, I thought all was well when I started adding this to 1.3.8, but just a moment ago when I tried to login, I got an error.
Yesterday, after I updated all of the COWOA files for my 1.3.8 site, I began testing. I checked out using COWOA just fine. Then I also checked out the normal way by creating an account. That worked fine too. I thought everything was fine, but right now when I tried to login with the account I created yesterday, I received this error:
1064 You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ':email AND COWOA_account != 1' at line 9
in:
[SELECT customers_id, customers_firstname, customers_password, customers_email_address, customers_default_address_id, customers_authorization, customers_referral FROM customers WHERE customers_email_address = :email AND COWOA_account != 1]
I also tried logging in with accounts created by my customers long ago using my master password and I still get the error. Since I know nothing about SQL, I am of no use. If anyone has any clue about how to fix that, I've got all of the other files ready to go with the 1.3.8 files. If it can't be fixed and is not compatible with 1.3.8 now, then I guess we are all screwed!
found out the login issue has to do with includes\modules\pages\login\header_php.php - will see if I can fix it :)
Okay, I think I have it all fixed (cross your fingers for me!). Let me do some additional testing and if everything is okay, I will post the updated files.
I am crossing my fingers, hoping that my upgrades work for you. I have successfully upgraded the COWOA mod for use with my 1.3.8 site and after much testing, I haven't found any errors. I have added the download to the wiki here:
COWOA Wiki
I have also upgraded my test site from 1.3.6 to 1.3.8 and I added the upgraded COWOA files to it if you want to test it:
COWOA test site
(The login page may be showing guest checkout twice. I don't have time to fix it at the moment but will get to it as soon as I can. The file is includes\templates\YOUR_TEMPLATE\templates\tpl_login_default.php)
Please let me know asap if you encounter any errors. Back up your files first please - I don't want to be blamed for anything! I tried my best!!!
Thanks craftzombie I am trying to get it to work for weeks now :D
Well let me know how it goes. I want to make sure that its not just working properly for me. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by |Dexter|
Craft, it seems to be working ok for me at the moment. I'll keep you posted of any problems. Thanks for doing this!
Sorry for the late reply got lots of size projects :D Anyway I tested it in any way I think off with both php 4 and php 5! And it pass all tests with flying colors! Thanks a lot for doing this!
Ok now I upload it to my host and reinstall it and check all steps but on 1.3.8a it still keep showing me the old Login page after I click the checkout button :(
So now there is no way to choose the without account option??
Ones again I check the install steps and run the database edit??
In your admin, under configuration>layout settings>use split-login pageQuote:
Originally Posted by |Dexter|
is it set to true???
OOps it was not :S Now its working sorry about that!
That split login step needs to be added to the install.txt. I didn't mention it yesterday as I thought it was due to my not knowing the zen application well enough but I only worked it out after tracing the problem to an if statement which looked for the split login boolean value.
just a quick one... i was just going over the text file in the 1.3.8 version of the cowoa and the 1.3.7 and 1.3.8 are identical when it comes to the "find" and "replace" instructions... does that mean that - if i installed cowoa befor the release of the updated version by only using the text instructions, i have the current and working version or is there some code change between the 2 versions that is not in the text instructions?
There is no new code for this mod that makes it work with 1.3.8. You can use the same instructions for 1.3.7. The reason why this mod didn't work with 1.3.8 is because there were changes made by the Zen team to some of the core Zen files for 1.3.8.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevefriedman71
All I did to upgrade this mod was.... I went through every file this mod uses and I downloaded the 1.3.8 version of it. Then I took the manual instructions given in the overrides-writes.txt file and added the proper code to the 1.3.8 files. I tested it, it worked, I zipped it up, and made it available. That's why I pray it works well for everyone, because I did not write the code and would not know how to fix the code. I just took already existing code and applied it to new files.
You're right.... it's done!Quote:
Originally Posted by cannontrodder
thanks. that means i could have provided this weeks ago... but i'm still new with giving back after using contributions.... i'm still shy to upload what i'm doing... but thank you for telling me that there is no code change involved :smartalec:Quote:
Originally Posted by craftzombie
I think it is important for any contributor to provide instructions for manually adding code to files, as KGZotU did, instead of just giving us files with the code already in them. This is especially true if the contributor won't always be able to support the mod. It at least gives us dummies SOMETHING to work with!Quote:
Originally Posted by stevefriedman71
I too am weary about uploading contributions. My fear is that it won't work properly and will screw someone up. I know that a lot of people are so impatient and want to get the mod on their site, so they don't back up their files first. I know this because I used to be that person. Boy did I learn my lesson!!
I really like to help any Zen user as much as I can because I know what its like to sit there, looking at your computer screen, wishing you had a hammer to beat it with because you are so frustrated you can't figure it out. So don't be shy! Someone out there can use your help, trust me.
Hello,
I have problem with COWOA. It shows me the link to continue without registration on the registration page (tpl_login_default.php), which is OK, but it links to .../index.php?main_page=FILENAME_NO_ACCOUNT
I read in this thread that the problem can be with the position of the code in the template file, but when I tried to upload original COWOA tpl_login_default.php it does the same error. :( Anyone could help please? Thank you.
Hi everybody... i want that my zen cart will not have the option to create an account at all , i want only checkout without account , and i want it to be integrated with the VAT module , any ideas guys?
i really need help on that one...
Do you have includes\extra_datafiles\YOUR_TEMPLATE\no_account_filenames.php installed?Quote:
Originally Posted by jirkako
I suspected that this was your problem and I was able to replicate it when I removed that file from my folder, so I am assuming maybe your FTP didn't transfer this file properly (????).
I have a silly question.
Why isn't the Checkout Without Account in the downloads section?
Ok, now I'm going to go install this thing to see if it breaks my site. hmmm. Maybe I'll backup first. :yes:
I have a silly question.
Why isn't the Checkout Without Account in the downloads section?
Ok, now I'm going to go install this thing to see if it breaks my site. hmmm. Maybe I'll backup first. :yes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by birdoasis
I'm not sure if KGZotU ever submitted it to them. Even if he submitted it right now, I'm not sure that they would approve it. I submitted my little hack ages ago and never even heard anything back, let alone a simple "No, because......"
I guess they have their reasons, although it would be nice to know what the prerequisites are.
Yes, PLEASE back up first!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sagivle1
Any ideas anyone?
sagivle1,
If you can figure out which file to change, just remove the login and new account content.
I don't know what file that is, and I have no idea what VAT is either.
:flex:
I uploaded to www.birdersbinoculars.com but I don't see the changes.
I followed the steps in the instruction manual, including changing the template folders name to the one I use, and the mysql patch, everything uploaded and patched fine.
However I still don't see the optional COWA option.
This is a fresh install of 1.3.8a. I have only one test customer, and one test product.
Any ideas?
i am pretty sure that you didnt change all of the MY_TEMPLATE folder into the name of your template...
you can go to that link :
http://birdersbinoculars.com/index.p...age=no_account
and see that your template does not know the COWOA.
check out the installation file.
I thought I got them all. DAD BURN IT! haha:cool:
That was it. Except now I have two instances of the COWA. It's acceptable, but I wonder if it would be confusing.
its just not proffesional , delete the files of the cowoa where you have installed it before , just keep your template settings...
I fixed this last night and added it to the zip file. For those that just need to download the one file to fix that (tpl_login_default.php), you can do that here:Quote:
Originally Posted by birdoasis
updated tpl_login.zip
I also do not know what VAT is. Sorry! As far as making it a purely no account checkout, I suppose you could remove the fields from tpl_login_default.php located in includes/templates/YOUR_TEMPLATE/templates that are associated with logging in and creating an account.Quote:
Originally Posted by sagivle1
I removed those fields to see if it would work and was able to just have Guest Checkout appear. I checked out like normal and did not encounter any problems on the admin end or the customers end.
The tpl_login_default.php file containing those missing fields is here:
guest_only_checkout.zip
This file is only for 1.3.8 and for split-mode checkout. With this file, only guest checkout will appear. There are no log in fields and no "create an account" fields.
If you intend on making your site into a no account site, make sure you remove any link on your site about logging in. If you use the file above and someone clicks on a login link, if there is nothing in the cart then they will be taken to a blank login page. As with COWOA, the guest checkout will only appear when there is an item in the cart. You have more work do to, removing things throughout the site that would end up taking them to the login page. Its not impossible, I used to have a "no account" site. It's just a lot of fixing and testing. Good luck with the VAT thing!
craftzombie - I wanted to ask you, since you seem to be so quick and efficient at things, how do/did you upgrade your COWOA site? I do the Winmerge thing and compare changed files one by one, and upload one by one. I also have other mods installed, although they're minor, so I always dread doing upgrades. Do you have a quicker way of upgrading? Thanks!
P.S. You're really great! Everyone appreciates you for sort of taking over this mod!
Eek! I don't want to take over this mod!!! If only you knew how utterly dumb I am! Well, not THAT dumb, but I just don't know anything about PHP or SQL. I can however, after looking at it for so damn long, kind of make my way through it. Almost like someone armed with high school spanish visiting Mexico for the weekend, I can order a meal and ask where the bathroom is! And the library.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTNaturals
As far as upgrading, as with all things... I do them the hard way. Its my nature. I don't use WinMerge. I don't use an FTP program (unless its an entire Zen upgrade, in which case I use FileZilla). I upload the files one by one using my Windows Explorer window for file transfers. I am the wrong person to ask when it comes to doing things quicker!
Me being helpful is purely selfish. It just makes me feel good to help when I can. Plus, it helps me learn. Every valuable thing I learned about Zen Cart came from fu$@#&g it all up!!!
tnx for your reply craftzombie , but i am not working in either 1.3.8 and split-mode checkout. so i cant see any changes or a different result... :(
if you could help me on that one it will help me alot!!!!
I have a script which will unzip the zen distribution and COWA zip and automatically patch it. It's not much use for patching a live source code base with new versions of COWA but it at least allows me to take a vanilla zen zip and COWA and make a integrated build. The benefit of this is that if a new version of zen appears (and providing it doesn't massively break COWA) I can rebuild the site quickly. I tend to think I'd rather spend time writing an automated process to do things rather than do them manually as it repays you when you have to repeat that long process again.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTNaturals
What version of Zen are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by sagivle1
i am using zen cart v 1.3.7Quote:
Originally Posted by craftzombie
Warning: It look like the SQL file that comes with this mod somehow breaks the required attributes functions!! Now customers can checkout without filling the required fields....(php 5.x/php 4.x - MySQL 4/5) It may not do this for you...
Anyway here is a Fix that I found else where on this forum and look like its working again now, just in case this does happened to you:
Please remember to backup your database before make any changes and best to use this code with phpadmin and not the Zen cart admin
Code:INSERT INTO `configuration` VALUES ('', 'Product option type Select', 'PRODUCTS_OPTIONS_TYPE_SELECT', '0', 'The number representing the Select type of product option.', 0, NULL, '2007-03-19 17:57:39', '2007-03-19 17:57:39', NULL, NULL);
INSERT INTO `configuration` VALUES ('', 'Upload prefix', 'UPLOAD_PREFIX', 'upload_', 'Prefix used to differentiate between upload options and other options', 0, NULL, '2007-03-19 17:57:39', '2007-03-19 17:57:39', NULL, NULL);
INSERT INTO `configuration` VALUES ('', 'Text prefix', 'TEXT_PREFIX', 'txt_', 'Prefix used to differentiate between text option values and other option values', 0, NULL, '2007-03-19 17:57:39', '2007-03-19 17:57:39', NULL, NULL);
INSERT INTO `configuration` VALUES ('', 'Image Handler Version', 'IH_VERSION', '2.0', 'This is used by image handler to check if the database is up to date with uploaded image handler files.', 0, 100, NULL, '2007-06-06 16:47:03', NULL, 'zen_cfg_textarea_small(');
Does the fix...break anything else?
I usually don't bother with atributes, but I was thinking about doing that on birdersbinocualrs.com and wanted to be sure that the fix didn't go where fixes shouldn't go.
JP
first test to see of your required attributes function is working :)
if its not the fix just reset some settings in your database it does not break anything else :)
Mine broke after installing the google sitemap mod. For some, it was imagehandler2, which I don't have installed. I'm not sure if COWOA did or not.
What ever addon broke it this sql will fix it :D And the best part is that the addon will keep working normal also :clap:
And just to clarify... I made NO changes to the SQL or any other code that originally came with this mod. I simply added the given code to the new 1.3.8 files.Quote:
Originally Posted by |Dexter|
The sql file that comes with this mod does 3 things:
It adds a tinyint called COWOA_account (1) and COWOA_order (2) to the customers and orders tables. I haven't looked at the php code but I presume this is used as a flag to indicate if an account/order is a COWOA one. It also adds a query to the query_builder table to allow you to send emails to permanent account holders only.
Remember, although this mod says you can buy without an account, it's not really true. It creates an account that you cannot log in to and makes sure you do not receive any correspondence from the site. The modified code uses the above flags to differentiate between details it has for account holders and people who checked out without formally creating an account.
So, in summary, if the sql was broken, it wasn't this mod that did it.
Sorry I was pretty sure it was this mod, like its the only one I did install and this happend to me in both 1.3.7 and 1.3.8 :(
I love this mod.
thanks for it.
Here's my situation:
I recently switched over to this mod because the login/register feature was kind of annoying me. I sell t-shirts online and in the t-shirt biz, there is a lot of impulse buying. so the zen cart account system was causing too much shopping cart abandonment.
but with this mod i have installed, existing customers cannot order because the email address is already in use. is there a way to change every email address in one fell swoop? Maybe I could add a "." in front of each email so that I can retain the customer information while allowing these people to order with their existing email address. or i'm also open to suggestions.
question #2) i just installed the order status add-on that allows a customer to check the status of an order with only the email address and the order number. the read me states that it adds "order_status". forgive my stupidity, but what is the link to that? e.g. www.xxxxxxxx.com/store/ ???
help me fill in the blanks. thanks. :)
I am a little confused. If they are already existing customers, that means they registered with you. Why wouldn't they want to log in? If they were able to choose guest checkout, they would have to type in information that is already saved. The goal of this mod is not to convert already existing customers into guest checkout users. The goal is to prevent a non-registered customer from leaving because there is a registration requirement. Actually, everyone's main goal should be to get the customer to register. I realize this may not be something EVERYONE would want because it depends on what you are selling. But generally speaking, most of us want people to register. So why would you want registered customers to go through the hassle of checking out without logging into their account? It's just a question, I'm not trying to be a brat or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by elfino45
Whatever your answer may be, the point is that by using this mod, registered customers won't be able to checkout without logging in, if they are using the same email address. Once they are registered.... that's it. You'd have to re-write this mod to work in the way that you'd like. The author if this mod is no longer around to support it or answer questions, so you'd have to figure it out on your own or get someone knowledgeable to do it.
If your goal is to remove the login feature completely, I had a hack that I used way back in the day to do that, although it was only done on version 1.3.6 and I am not sure if it works with 1.3.8. I could test it and let you know if you wish. Just let me know.
I did some work for a client today on another cart program.
When a customer checks out they are not asked to provide a password, the checkout module created an account with the eMail address and creates a random password that gets eMailed to them with their welcome letter.
That would be so cool if COWOA would do that.... it would sure end allot of pain for user accounts.
You know what? I really dont like the idea of random pass, because then I'll have to login and change it, otherwise I will not remember it.
If it is such a good practice, why dont big websites such as ebay, overstock, amazon, etc.... use it?
I think the checkout without account mod is a bit useless, really. Why? Because you will have to enter your billing and shipping information anyway, it doesnt really reduce the steps to checkout, nor does it reduce the amount of information users have to enter.
Everything you have to do, is to re-word your register page in a way that doesnt make users feel like they are registering. PM me and I will send you an example.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuff4Toys
I probably should have mentioned this before, but Easy Sign-Up and Login was integrated with COWOA a couple of months ago when it was announced that support will no longer be offered for this mod. It was also updated at the time to work with 1.3.8x.
I noticed on the Wiki that it says this mod doesn't work with single-page checkout... Not true. ESL works with Fast and Easy Checkout (FEC).
I believe they don't have to because they are big-name sites that people use on a regular basis and therefore they are willing to commit to having an account with them. People are weary of our smaller zen sites and are not sure if they are ever going to shop with us again or not. Even though its just a dumb password they have to type in, it makes them uncomfortable somehow. Also, Ebay pretty much has a monopoly when it comes to online auctions. People who want to participate have to register. And you NEED to for such a site. Overstock is known for their deals and Amazon has their free shipping over $25, etc. When I have huge sales, I have a lot of people who don't mind registering. But lets face it, most Zen sellers cannot provide the deals that these larger sites can offer. We can't reel customers in as easily. Of course, this is different for everyone. it all depends on what you are selling.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow1912
It is useless, at least for the customer. They are still filling in all of the same information except for a lousy password. But out of my last 15 orders, 10 of them were done via COWOA. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow1912
I tried this before COWOA came out. I'm not sure how well it worked. I'm curious to know what words you used near the password fields that makes them feel like they are not registering.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow1912
In my opinion, I think the best way to do it is to have a checkout where the option of creating an account is given at the end of checkout. I hope that the Zen masters consider this in the future when they redo the checkout process.
These are all just my opinions of course. Feel free to stomp on them!
Something like: Create a password to track your order ^^.
If you give the customers 2 options, they would certainly choose the checkout without account since they THINK it's faster. The fact that more customers use COWA on your site means nothing.
However, if you redirect them RIGHT AWAY to the register page instead of asking them that, you make it ONE step shorter for them.
And as long as you use the right words, customers dont think they are registering at all (that's what I have from all the feedbacks I collected anyway)
Anyway, it's just my opinion.
@numinix: even if the checkout is on 1 page, if you present all the forms at once the customers will think they have to fill in too many info and abandon the cart. A better way is to use ajax and render each form 1 by 1, while still keeping them on the same page.
Well I don't think that it means nothing, but it is hard to tell exactly what it means. Yes, they could think it is faster. Or it could be because they think their info is not being saved. Or they think it is less likely they will receive spam from me. It does mean something to me when I have more people buying now than I did when COWOA didn't exist. I am aware there could be other reasons for that too, such as better Google rankings, word of mouth, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow1912
For me personally, I don't see the harm in using it. Zen Cart works in different ways for different people. Obviously there is a great desire for a No Account option otherwise there wouldn't be so many threads on the topic.
Did you ever use COWOA and noticed no difference so you removed it? Just curious as to why you are on this thread if you find this mod useless....
Numinix -
The single page checkout the wiki refers to is the old mod in Downloads (which I understand has lots of problems anyway). Yours didn't exist when that note was written.
@craftzombie: I did use it b4 I open my mouth ^^.
Again, I think the owners should better optimize their register page, take out many fields such as Mr/Mrs, birthday and such, and re-word the text to make the customers feel like they are just filling their billing and shipping info (which they are actually doing, in the matter of fact)
There may be no harm in using this mod, but again why would you spend so much time install a mod when you can achieve the same or even better effect by just making changes on what you already have?
I removed all unnecessary fields from my checkout since I first installed Zen Cart. For me, it didn't seem to deter cart abandonment.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow1912
It doesn't really take that long to install this mod, but then thats just me. I'm sure newbies have it harder. Newbies would have a hard time figuring out where to re-word their checkout too though. We could go on forever with this debate. Everyone has their own preference. What determines my preference is the amount of dollars in my bank account!!! :wink:
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Originally Posted by yellow1912
I guess you've never looked at FEC? Or are you talking about ESL?
You can see them both at http://www.numinix.com/1pagecheckout/
I did, numinix. All the required info is stuffed into one page. Check my PM.
But only two things need to be chosen, shipping and payment. The rest are optional unless Conditions checkbox is required.
Hey guys,
I have been following this debate for sometime, and I wanted to let you know how I solved the checkout without account problem. I did not use this mod.
First, i use paypal as my payment processor. I don't take any other payment types. If you do differently, my way won't work for you.
I simply deleted the regular checkout button from my cart. When the customer clicks paypal, they get shipped off to the paypal checkout page, where they will either use their existing account, pay using a credit card without a paypal account (or create a new paypal account, I guess).
When the order is complete, the information automatically gets handed back to zencart and the customer file is created. I have tried to eliminate the whole notion of "accounts" from my site, and for the most part, it works.
The solution is not perfect... and if I do fire up the Google Checkout, I will have to move away from this, but I wanted to offer it up to you as another idea.
Good luck,
Tosh - and an insult to the customers. Or at least the first sentence is. IMO anyway!! :DQuote:
even if the checkout is on 1 page, if you present all the forms at once the customers will think they have to fill in too many info and abandon the cart. A better way is to use ajax and render each form 1 by 1, while still keeping them on the same page.
The vast majority of people who want to buy something online are well aware that they have to provide delivery and payment details (assuming they want to receive their goods!), and combining them on one page as numinix has done makes it easy to see at a glance what is required. On the other hand, nice as ajax is, a new section opening up just when you think you've finished is no better than having to move on another page.
Obviously everyone has their own methods. PayPal isn't a perfect solution. Anyone who has been screwed by them knows that. But we all do what we think is best for our business. COWOA is the only mod I've seen where people come in here trying to convince its users not to use it, acting as if they know what we are selling, who we are selling to, etc. and acting like one way is the only way. The great thing about Zen Cart is that is can be customized in so many different ways. COWOA is one of them. If you don't like COWOA, then don't use it. If you use COWOA and have solutions for new users or ways to improve the mod, by all means share. If you have nothing for us but your opinion on why we shouldn't use COWOA, start a freakin' blog.
Well put cz!
All these opinions about whether or not to use COWOA or how customers think or how to design the checkout process are just wasting space and making this thread hard to follow and less useful to those who do want to use COWOA.
Rob
I'm documenting an install of COWOA on a ZC 1.3.7 site, and while I was creating backup copies of the overwritten ZenCart files, I found an anomaly. The overrides-writes.txt file says that the following files are overwritten:
/includes/modules/pages/gv_redeem/header.php
/includes/modules/pages/password_forgotten/header.php
/includes/modules/pages/login/header.php
My 1.3.7 site doesn't have these files. Instead it has:
/includes/modules/pages/gv_redeem/header_php.php
/includes/modules/pages/password_forgotten/header_php.php
/includes/modules/pages/login/header_php.php
Um, what should I do?? Drop the new files in and hope? Rename them to match what's there? Help? Yes, I did download the 1.3.7 version of COWOA.
The actual files that you override are correct, he just forgot to add "_php" to the filenames when he wrote the instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by hedera
Thanks - that'll teach me to look at the actual files instead of just at the instructions...
I'll confess I'm relieved.
Don't worry, I totally would've done the same thing when I was new. If I had access to the 1.3.7 files, I'd change them so others won't be confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by hedera
Since I have the 1.3.7 files, why don't I update the install script and see if I can figure out how to upload the thing to the wiki? I think I have to replace it in the ZIP file and then upload that.
Also, I just finished a Visio drawing that gives me a visual image of what files are both added and changed, and what directory trees they're in (I find pictures easier to follow than words for this), maybe I can figure out how to put those in too. People can download a Visio viewer free from Microsoft if they don't want to spend the bucks for the program. Let me know if you think the pix would be generally useful.
Hedera, so I tried this module out and it didnt work! Boohoo!! :cry:
Is there any other way this can be done? I've done so much work on my cart already but if I cant stop the program from wanting the customer to register it's all for the cat and I'll have to start again with another shopping cart that allows me to do this.
Any work-around?
Also, I renamed the YOUR_TEMPLATE folders, then added the SQL. Then realised I had used the wrong files so uploaded the right files (the overwrite files). Could this be a reason it doesnt work? Is it paramount that the SQL is done last?
If anyone has any suggestions or work-arounds please please let me know.
Thanks
Can you explain in what way the mod is not working for you? Are you not seeing guest checkout on the login screen at all when there are items in the cart? Do you have split-login turned on? What exactly are your issues??Quote:
Originally Posted by little_nomad
Good point.
Well, my main issue is that it hasnt changed a thing. Yes, I have split screen turned on and I can see this. But not the logging in without registering bit. So I get the New Customer and the Returning Customer options but not the guest options. :no:
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I have the latest version of Zen Cart.
Thanks for taking the time! :hug:
No problem! My only suggestion at this point, without being able to see the files for myself, is to try installing again, making sure that all of the files have uploaded correctly. It sounds dumb, I know, but this has happened to me several times in the past. Sometimes files don't transfer properly or were not transfered into the proper folder for your template, even though you are sure you did everything right. I know I'm not the smartest person, but I am not an idiot either.... so when I see that I uploaded into the wrong folder or something like that, I really kick myself. You are new on these boards, but I am not sure how much experience you have with all of this and if maybe you just overlooked something. If you want to PM me with a link to your shop, I can take a look around.Quote:
Originally Posted by little_nomad
Well, I did the install yesterday, carefully following the instructions exactly, and it's working for me. (Following the instructions exactly is kind of a fetish of mine.) This means I did the SQL patch last.
OTOH, I'm not running the latest version of ZenCart, I'm running 1.3.7 (because that was the version my hosting company had built the automated install for; I'm lazy), and I used the 1.3.7 version of COWOA. I really can't speak for the 1.3.8 version as I haven't used it.
I even successfully did the mod to remove the HTML and Text-only radio buttons from the billing information screen.
I think I agree with craftzombie - go back to square one, restore from the backup (you DID make a backup before doing this, yes??), and do the whole thing over, carefully doing every step exactly as documented.
Im planning on installing this mod and im just wondering if it's stable enough and compatible with 1.3.8a?
I am using it on 1.3.8a with no problems that I am aware of. I tested it many times on my own after upgrading. I have had a lot of people checkout using this method and haven't heard a peep about problems. Make sure you download the 1.3.8 version of this mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berserker
Excellent. Just a couple more questions, people can pay through Protx and other offline payments using this right? Or will it only accept Paypal, Nochex etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by craftzombie