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Originally Posted by
DrByte
Looks like you've already got a redirect happening.
Yes, the ISP put in a forwarding for me so I could start using the cart, but now I can't find how they did it to turn it off. :cool:
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
I looked at that and printed the instructions but I don't have the two configure_php files they refer to in step 4, did I mess something up during the install?
Thanks again for your help so far.
Robert E
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
Rob905
Yes, the ISP put in a forwarding for me so I could start using the cart, but now I can't find how they did it to turn it off.
It's worth asking them what they did. It might have been done by the hosting control panel or .htaccess file changes.
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Originally Posted by
Rob905
I looked at that and printed the instructions but I don't have the two configure_php files they refer to in step 4, did I mess something up during the install?
Those files will be on the server. You'll have to download them with your FTP program. In fact, you should get in the habit of doing that regularly to make backups of your files anyway. (Gotta also make database backups, but that's a separate topic or two)
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
It's worth asking them what they did. It might have been done by the hosting control panel or .htaccess file changes.
Those files will be on the server. You'll have to download them with your FTP program. In fact, you should get in the habit of doing that regularly to make backups of your files anyway. (Gotta also make database backups, but that's a
separate topic or
two)
Thank you. I will look into that.
Robert E
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
It's worth asking them what they did. It might have been done by the hosting control panel or .htaccess file changes.
Those files will be on the server. You'll have to download them with your FTP program. In fact, you should get in the habit of doing that regularly to make backups of your files anyway. (Gotta also make database backups, but that's a
separate topic or
two)
They did a simple HTML re-direct in the index.html file :oops: which is why I could not find it in the control panel.
You were also correct on the files being on the server only and I think I'm now well on my way to having the cart run nice and neatly under the home directory so it will still show www.robertensing.com while the people are checking out my goods. :smile:
My next task is to change either the template or at least the color scheme but I think I can get a CSS editor to help me with that.
Thanks again for all your help.
Robert E
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
It's worth asking them what they did. It might have been done by the hosting control panel or .htaccess file changes.
Those files will be on the server. You'll have to download them with your FTP program. In fact, you should get in the habit of doing that regularly to make backups of your files anyway. (Gotta also make database backups, but that's a
separate topic or
two)
Spoke too soon.
Although the site seems to run fine, my first time into the admin would not let me log in.
So I downloaded and ran your Fix Cache Key Utility and it said it made the change but I still can't access the admin.
Any ideas? After a short pause for IE6 to try and find the file, it jumps to www.robertensing.com/login.php and gives a 404 error that the file can't be found.
:-(
Robert E
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Originally Posted by
Sermonzone
I would love to see that. I have purchased the book and it has a lot missing. For example: I have been searching for days which file has the <TagLine Here> which appears in the header. I have made templatechanges and I understand how to set template canges. This simple little problem has put me dead in the water now for about 4 hours. Just to give you an idea I came accross this post doing a search for the text "TagLine Here".
I will continue to move forward, but I encourage you to write, write, write....
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maverick2539
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Originally Posted by
Sermonzone
I would love to see that. I have purchased the book and it has a lot missing. For example: I have been searching for days which file has the <TagLine Here> which appears in the header. I have made templatechanges and I understand how to set template canges. This simple little problem has put me dead in the water now for about 4 hours. Just to give you an idea I came accross this post doing a search for the text "TagLine Here".
I will continue to move forward, but I encourage you to write, write, write....
did you check : How do I change the "Sales Message Goes Here" or "Tagline Here" text? in the tutorials/FAQ section
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
In fact, you should get in the habit of doing that regularly to make backups of your files anyway. (Gotta also make database backups, but that's a
separate topic or
two)
I now have a backup of the SQL in CSV format and a ZIPd SQL
Will the autopopulate read the CSV file in the format the phpAdmin exported it?
I have done something during the move and now ALL my data and settings are gone. I think the only thing it remembert was my little slogan at the top of the store page. :censored:
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Originally Posted by
Rob905
Spoke too soon.
Although the site seems to run fine, my first time into the admin would not let me log in.
So I downloaded and ran your Fix Cache Key Utility and it said it made the change but I still can't access the admin.
Any ideas? After a short pause for IE6 to try and find the file, it jumps to
www.robertensing.com/login.php and gives a 404 error that the file can't be found.
:-(
Robert E
Sounds like you removed too much when you moved things around.
Did you keep the "admin" part in these?
Code:
define('DIR_WS_ADMIN', '/admin/');
define('DIR_WS_CATALOG', '/');
define('DIR_WS_HTTPS_ADMIN', '/admin/');
define('DIR_WS_HTTPS_CATALOG', '/');
... and ...
define('DIR_FS_ADMIN', 'blahblahblah/admin/');
define('DIR_FS_CATALOG', 'blahblahblah/');
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You are typing in the wrong url -
or am I messed up?
You used this address:
http://www.robertensing.com/login.php
Try this one:
http://www.robertensing.com/admin/login.php
You forgot to put in admin as part of the URL????
jund
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I did the same change and the same problem happened to me - spent couple of hours but still can't fiture out which page the "Sales Message Goes here" points to!!! :blink:
Who had some experience in this? I highly appreciate the turorial however it looks like may be a little outdated considering the fact it was released in 2006 and there mght be changes in the template afterwards. ??!!!??? :wacko:
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clydejones
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
I did the same change and the same problem happened to me
I'm afraid that neither the change you made, nor the problem that you're having are obvious from either your post, or the one from which you were quoting.
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
spent couple of hours but still can't fiture out which page the "Sales Message Goes here" points to!!!
It doesn't point to any page. It's simply a piece of text displayed in every page's header as a sales message.
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
I highly appreciate the turorial however it looks like may be a little outdated considering the fact it was released in 2006 and there mght be changes in the template afterwards.
The tutorial may be almost a year old, but it is still completely accurate for a standard installation of Zen Cart.
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Thanks for your msg. I am pretty new to this and might got confused easily. According to the tutorial,
If you want to change "Congratulations! You have successfully installed your Zen Cart™; E-Commerce Solution" with your own text open the includes/languages/ENGLISH/index.php file and find the following code:
// This section deals with the "home" page at the top level with no options/products selected
/*Replace this text with the headline you would like for your shop. For example: 'Welcome to My SHOP!'*/
define('HEADING_TITLE', 'Congratulations! You have successfully installed your Zen Cart™ E-Commerce Solution.');
} elseif ($category_depth == 'nested') {
// This section deals with displaying a subcategory
/*Replace this line with the headline you would like for your shop. For example: 'Welcome to My SHOP!'*/
define('HEADING_TITLE', 'Congratulations! You have successfully installed your Zen Cart™ E-Commerce Solution.');
First of all, I was never able to find any code like this in my Index.php file under English folder. Secondly, when I change the destination of my website in my Web Host's set up and pointed that to the English folder, I got a 404 forbidden error. Guess I am confused of how Zen Cart works! - After I set up my destination in web host's Admin, when I load the page, it will automatically load the page named "index.php" in the destination folder correct? How come I couldn't find any code like what is mentioned in the Tutorial??? All I see is a bunch of code tells me the "Overview of flow".
Thanks for anybody's help and response!
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Originally Posted by
kuroi
I'm afraid that neither the change you made, nor the problem that you're having are obvious from either your post, or the one from which you were quoting.
It doesn't point to any page. It's simply a piece of text displayed in every page's header as a sales message.
The tutorial may be almost a year old, but it is still completely accurate for a standard installation of Zen Cart.
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
First of all, I was never able to find any code like this in my Index.php file under English folder ... How come I couldn't find any code like what is mentioned in the Tutorial??? All I see is a bunch of code tells me the "Overview of flow".
This means that you are looking at the index.php at the top level of your Zen Cart and not the one mentioned in the tutorial which is buried down in the includes/languages/ENGLISH folder.
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
Secondly, when I change the destination of my website in my Web Host's set up and pointed that to the English folder, I got a 404 forbidden error. Guess I am confused of how Zen Cart works! - After I set up my destination in web host's Admin, when I load the page, it will automatically load the page named "index.php" in the destination folder correct?
There is no good reason to point the destination of your site into the English folder. This will certainly cause your site to collapse. It should be pointing to the top level of your Zen Cart.
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Thanks so much! I did look at the folder in the buried down folder in includes/languages/ENGLISH Folder. There is one possible reason that I might have overridden that file with a file on my local drive. Is there anyway I can get that file back??
Thank you very much for the help and response!
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Originally Posted by
kuroi
This means that you are looking at the index.php at the top level of your Zen Cart and not the one mentioned in the tutorial which is buried down in the includes/languages/ENGLISH folder.
There is no good reason to point the destination of your site into the English folder. This will certainly cause your site to collapse. It should be pointing to the top level of your Zen Cart.
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
I did look at the folder in the buried down folder in includes/languages/ENGLISH Folder. There is one possible reason that I might have overridden that file with a file on my local drive. Is there anyway I can get that file back??
Ah yes. I see. Zen Cart has a lot of similarly and, in this case, identically, named files. The folder structure is therefore very important. The best place to go to get a fresh copy of the file would be the release package from which your Zen Cart was originally installed.
If you don't have that, it can be downloaded via the link on this support site's home page. I always keep a copy of the release package handy on my local machine - you never know when you might need to refer to it.
:wink:
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Where can I find the link to the support site? Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by
kuroi
Ah yes. I see. Zen Cart has a lot of similarly and, in this case, identically, named files. The folder structure is therefore very important. The best place to go to get a fresh copy of the file would be the release package from which your Zen Cart was originally installed.
If you don't have that, it can be downloaded via the link on this support site's home page. I always keep a copy of the release package handy on my local machine - you never know when you might need to refer to it.
:wink:
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Originally Posted by
Sherrylxf
Where can I find the link to the support site? Thanks!!
This is the support site. It's home page is www.zen-cart.com
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A screenshot of the classic layout with each of the elements labeled with the name and where the code for them is located would be nice.
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Ok, I am brand New to this. Not completely unknowable but I would say midrange. I bought the Zen Cart Book. GREAT BOOK!! My problem is this:
Bluehost is my web provider and they installed zen cart for me. Now what??? I have gotten through chapter 13/14 but I cannot find any information on customizing the templates to add my store name etc. I see all the language etc that needs to be modified but cannot find it. I opened up the website via filezilla but I think maybe I am missing some things. Page 272 in the book shows some directories but I think I am missing some. Where can I find instructions on customizing in English like this book?
the book starts with includes/languages or includes/modules or includes/templates but there are no directions where to find these? I was so excited to get started, uploaded all my products etc and now I am stuck.
Where can I get this info please help
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KRahall,
Start here: https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/index.php?article=36
Here:https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=230
And here:https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=143
Print out the last one for a chart on where you may put a custom (your_template_name) folder, or download one here:
http://www.zen-cart.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=298
Download and unzip a copy of Zen Cart to your computer so you can see the files structure. I do hope you are starting out with the newest version, 1.3.8 ?
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Krahall- please, don't post the same problem in multiple threads.
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
Sermonzone
PRE-EMPTIVE EDIT:
A lot of documentation has been added to the Knowledgebase:
https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?category=16
Further, you will find great value in the eStart Your Web Store with Zen Cart users manual, which walks you through setting up your Zen Cart site from start to finish, along with many day-to-day tasks.
You can get your copy of the book here: http://www.lulu.com/content/466605
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Original discussion:
New Zen Cart users get easily frustrated. They often do not know how to find answers to their questions and if they stumble onto the right answer they don't realize it's the right answer. The recent 'reboot' for the forum so closely on the heels of the upgrade to 1.3 seems to have made things worse.
I am considering writing a "Getting Started" style document that focuses on templates, overrides, colors, text, images and the like. Perhaps a reasonable title will be "
Top 10 Questions asked by New Zenners" or "
10 things every New Zenner should know but doesn't know where to find."
I would like to hear from New Zenners about this project. What did you have the most trouble with? What documents did you feel were lacking? What were the top problems and questions you had? -- Things like that.
Part of the rationale for this project is that as users can perform more tasks without having to post a thread like "I am such a newb and have no idea what I am doing" it will free the Devs for more time in core upgrades. Hopefully, users that are more successful at the beginning will press on and have a viable online business and donate back to Zen Cart.
I will be away from the forum for a few days (niece's wedding) this weekend. Further, I don't plan to reply to every post. This is a place to collect feedback from new users.
If more experienced users post, perhaps you could list the mistakes you most often see.
The final location for the project is uncertain. In many ways, it will be a duplicate of material in the FAQ and Wiki. However, much of that material needs to be updated and New Zenners seem to not read it or not understand it. I will continue to try to coordinate this with the Devs so that it benefits the most in the community.
Please presume a successful install of ZenCart 1.3+. I would like to focus on customizations issues that every new users is likely to experience.
Feel free to PM with info you would rather not be in the forum.
Since you asked! I'd sure encourage someone to write a decent beginners tutorial.
1) One major problem. Just started a store, added a couple categories and a few products. Made sure every product was marked "in stock" and with a positive number of "items on hand". All seems to be in order in the back end. Yet every product displays the red "sold out" icon on the front end. If you could help solve this it would be greatly appreciated.
2) The things just about any new zener will want to do first is change the colors, fonts, sizes, images etc. Even just a simple sheet listing the full path to all the files that need to be changed would be helpful.
Other problems: went thru the menus trying to determine how to control box layout etc. The boxes listed as active on the menus didn't seem to jive with what was actually on the front end.
3) It really surprises me that developers spend enormous amounts of time and effort developing these sophisticated applications, but then can't be bothered to write basic documentation for new zeners for whom this is their first exposure to shopping carts.
4) I'm also surprised that modifying and developing new themes isn't a simple menu function,i.e, click a button and have a page/form come up with all the options to set. I wouldn't think it would be that hard to do. And it would give you a big leg up on the competition. I've looked at several shopping carts and haven't found one (including zen-cart) yet with decent beginner level documentation. Changing the theme in all of them is a real pain, in part because of the poor documentation.
Thanks for asking.
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Since you asked! I'd sure encourage someone to write a decent beginners tutorial.
1) One major problem. Just started a store, added a couple categories and a few products. Made sure every product was marked "in stock" and with a positive number of "items on hand". All seems to be in order in the back end. Yet every product displays the red "sold out" icon on the front end. If you could help solve this it would be greatly appreciated.
2) The things just about any new zener will want to do first is change the colors, fonts, sizes, images etc. Even just a simple sheet listing the full path to all the files that need to be changed would be helpful.
Other problems: went thru the menus trying to determine how to control box layout etc. The boxes listed as active on the menus didn't seem to jive with what was actually on the front end.
3) It really surprises me that developers spend enormous amounts of time and effort developing these sophisticated applications, but then can't be bothered to write basic documentation for new zeners for whom this is their first exposure to shopping carts.
4) I'm also surprised that modifying and developing new themes isn't a simple menu function,i.e, click a button and have a page/form come up with all the options to set. I wouldn't think it would be that hard to do. And it would give you a big leg up on the competition. I've looked at several shopping carts and haven't found one (including zen-cart) yet with decent beginner level documentation. Changing the theme in all of them is a real pain, in part because of the poor documentation.
Thanks for asking.
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Originally Posted by
a7t
but then can't be bothered to write basic documentation
A grossly unfair statement. For a start, "basic" documentation is written, starting with the docs directory in the ZC download package, then the tutorials and faqs, followed by thousands of answers in these forums supplied by the members of the dev team.
There is now the "eStart your web store with Zencart" manual available which covers almost every aspect of the admin side - and if I recall correctly, that took the author over 6 months of work, and the ZC Dev Team gave up time to ensure that this is the excellent document it is.
To write a book on building a template is an absolutely massive undertaking, and one of the main problems is that those who would be qualified to write such a book are too busy to do it.
Remember that right now the DevTeam work for free in their own time as donations are nowhere near enough to support them on a full time basis. If everyone who uses ZC donated just a few $$ a month then progress towards the ideal would be quicker - yes, building the template from within admin would be great, although your comment of
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I wouldn't think it would be that hard to do
provokes me to suggest to YOU - "OK, if it's not that hard, then do it"
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It matters not how good a script is, some people will always find fault with it.
Zen Cart is a good script but like the majority of scripts, far from perfect. It can also be said; being as it is freely available, works well at what it does and the features provided, and is the only Open Source eCommerce script (that I know of) with a printed Manual available, does put it far above all the others.
As far as improvements go, faster progress would be made if the Zen Cart Team expanded itself a bit. I understand the Subject has been discussed in the past but not sure if the Core Team has grown in numbers. Until it does, the bottleneck will remain.
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Can you help me how to change "Sales message goes here"
I have searched all header.php files
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Originally Posted by
sabasree
Can you help me how to change "Sales message goes here"
I have searched all header.php files
www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/index.php?article=127
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A map of some sort would be helpful explaining what everything is for and what you can and can't change
I am a begginer with zen cart and shopping carts in general and that was the first thing I started looking for, some form of diagram explaining what all the masses of files do and especially what I should not touch.
And I know some will say buy the manual - But me like most people will not splash out money until we know what we can and can't do with the system, as it may not do what I want.
I would also suggest a map of the useful links in some sort of order as I have tried the search on here about five times so far and it has either found a mass of info that was not much help or nothing at all, which possibly could mean that the use of carts is almost like a new language. In that I mean the terms you are using are not what would natturally come to mind for the novice.
I have seen that on a few web forums where people come on asking for something but what they are asking for has a proper name and they are using a descriptive name.
Hope that make sense
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Originally Posted by
NattyCat
1) How to add a logo and remove "sales message goes here"
2) How to centre a logo
3) How do attributes work - in plain english
4) How to understand what a CSS file is telling you, so you can edit it yourself!
5) What are the main PHP files that zenners tend to edit for layout, and what does each one do? For example, to work on my sideboxes...which php?
6) Why is it a bad idea to modify the custom template and install a blank one in a "custom" folder. I have this, and still don't understand why.
Nat
I am not computer illiterate,but I am dumping this system and going to another. I am unable to modify the "header sales" option. define..I think I am going to dump this and go to oz
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Originally Posted by
Sandhya
I am not computer illiterate,but I am dumping this system and going to another. I am unable to modify the "header sales" option. define..I think I am going to dump this and go to oz
Don't people look around in the menus and try things? For instance, everyone who's looking for a roadmap to this or to that, how about "Tools -> Developer's Tool Kit"? Geez people. A silver platter and it's still not good enough.
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actually, if you read the date on this post and my other posts, you will see I got to the point where I did try everything, and ended up finding out you are not able to do everything from the tools, that you do have to go into the html edit (ftp),
so the pull down does not do the most important thing and that is change the main page title...which is pretty significant in starting a webpage when you have never done so. The main page spot where it says "sale message goes here" is a very large portion of the standard page, and if I was going to do things the easy way, you still have to go into ftp to do so.
so it ends up not being as simple as looking around and feeling things out, which is what I have been doing for 32 hours now.
Frustrated by the fact the most simple and obvious altering of the main page cannot be done from the tools "define" menu.
I dont consider myself a beginner, but I truely am. So if you can tell me how to change the "sales message goes here" without switching into the ftp mode, please let me know. Or change the template..it cannot be done from the admin standard mode.....:frusty:
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Originally Posted by
Raquel
Don't people look around in the menus and try things? For instance, everyone who's looking for a roadmap to this or to that, how about "Tools -> Developer's Tool Kit"? Geez people. A silver platter and it's still not good enough.
tools- developers tool kit does not provide an editing mode, a roadmap telling me that "this is where it is", is not the same as saying..."this is how you get there"
kind of like looking at a town map in Turkey...but not telling you how to get to that town...makes the map kind of worthless to me, I think you can see where I am coming from now, I am not advanced enough that the roadmap is going to help me...
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Sandhya, I doubt there are many who will disagree with statements made in your last 2 posts and, if wanting a Shopping Cart where everything can be done from the Admin section then Zen Cart is not for you. Mind you, most any other Shopping Cart will not be for you either as with most Carts, many things have to be manually changed and/or FTP'd to your hosting account.
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Hi I am so happy you asked!!!!
I have a problem with everything! I don’t understand the jargon to even understand the answer!
With that being said…is there a new zenner book (jargon explained) for dummies. This is extremely frustrating,
I have a website that should be launched in a few weeks and I can not upload the product! So I came here to learn. I can read well enough to understand the questions that relate to what I need to know, however the answers leave me completely exhausted! I need an interpreter.
I have decided to pay someone to tutor me and my husband. I have read just about every question and answer, went to sites referred by writers and I still don’t know anything, except my eyes hurt…LOL
HELP!!!!!!!!!
Char Jack
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Hi I am so happy you asked!!!!
I have a problem with everything! I don’t understand the jargon to even understand the answer!
With that being said…is there a new zenner book (jargon explained) for dummies. This is extremely frustrating,
I have a website that should be launched in a few weeks and I can not upload the product! So I came here to learn. I can read well enough to understand the questions that relate to what I need to know, however the answers leave me completely exhausted! I need an interpreter.
I have decided to pay someone to tutor me and my husband. I have read just about every question and answer, went to sites referred by writers and I still don’t know anything, except my eyes hurt…LOL
HELP!!!!!!!!!
Char Jack
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
Hello Char and Welcome to the Forum. :smile:
I used 'Char' as your name presuming 'Jack' is Husband. Please correct if wrong.
A major drawback to things Internet or Web site related is that people seem to think, or believe, that everything should be easy to understand and operate. This is not true most anyplace on the Internet and especially with scripts (like Zen Cart) that offer a lot of built-in features. By definition; "The more features there are the more complicated it will be."
Think of the first time driving a car or just getting into one now. Sit in the Driver's seat and just look at all the options/features one has within arm's reach. Remember the first time driving a car? Trying to stay inside your lane, watching the rear view Mirror, watching what's coming at you, checking your speed and heaven forbid if you wanted to turn on the radio. And now, driving a car is mostly routine and pretty easy to do.
So it is with scripts, control panels, Registering at a Web site, etc. Most times we are viewing a setup for the first time and must figure things out -- on the spot. Else we leave and go somewhere else. This is why, scripts try to make it easy to setup & customize the Frontend (what your Visitors see) so you can get many Visitors. Unfortunately, this means learning the Backend (the Admin section) from Step one.
We can usually teach ourselves how to use something or, with enough time & patience, use trial & error to figure things out. You have definitely taken a smart approach if you are willing to pay someone to teach you as that is always the faster route. For most of us though, we muddle along and learn a few things here 'n there.
We all start out knowing nothing and go from there. :smartalec:
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She is Char, I'm Jack ,Thank You for the encouragement,
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Originally Posted by
Raquel
Don't people look around in the menus and try things? For instance, everyone who's looking for a roadmap to this or to that, how about "Tools -> Developer's Tool Kit"? Geez people. A silver platter and it's still not good enough.
Developer's Tool Kit
You mean things like "Look-up CONSTANT or Language File defines" are going to mean a lot to people who are searching for answers.
How many people who are just starting out on working with a shopping cart would have a clue what that means?
And the explanation to what it does is: "NOTE: CONSTANTS are written in uppercase.
Language file, functions, classes, etc. lookups are performed when nothing has been found in the database tables, if selected in dropdown"
And I just looked for a helpfile for the options on the developer toolkit but can't find it
and if you are still not sure how complicated this is for a new user consider this I was looking for an answer to one thing and ended up reading the answer to something else, as seems to be the way with this. To change one thing that on a normal css xhtml website would be a simple change, but on here you have to find and change five different files that are in three different file systems and then you have to save them in two new files. EASY?
Hats off to the person who came up with the question and realising there is a problem.
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On the other hand, if, as is often suggested to noobies but we oldies just as often get berated for suggesting it, you could try reading the tutorials/FAQs where you would have found the cunningly named How do I use the Developers Toolkit?
:wink:
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Originally Posted by
Website Rob
A major drawback to things Internet or Web site related is that people seem to think, or believe, that everything should be easy to understand and operate. This is not true most anyplace on the Internet and especially with scripts (like Zen Cart) that offer a lot of built-in features. By definition; "The more features there are the more complicated it will be."
Think of the first time driving a car or just getting into one now. Sit in the Driver's seat and just look at all the options/features one has within arm's reach. Remember the first time driving a car? Trying to stay inside your lane, watching the rear view Mirror, watching what's coming at you, checking your speed and heaven forbid if you wanted to turn on the radio. And now, driving a car is mostly routine and pretty easy to do.
Probably one of the most succint and real descriptions of web development I've ever read.
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Originally Posted by
Ryk
On the other hand, if, as is often suggested to noobies but we oldies just as often get berated for suggesting it, you could try reading the tutorials/FAQs where you would have found the cunningly named
How do I use the Developers Toolkit?
:wink:
And which of the 16 FAQ lists is that hidden in that is leading to 367 FAQs. That is a lot of reading for someone who does not even know what that tool is.
and I have to say until it was mentioned on here I did not even give it a second thought, when I looked at it, as there is no real explanation as to what it can do unless I knew to look for it.
But you have brought up a good point maybe all the information is allready there but burried in all the inforamtion a bit like the file system.
So maybe rather than making a new helpfile to be burried with the rest it would be a better idea to add some form of search fecility to the inforamtion allready available or a simple link page with more of a beginers view of what is available.
But for me I would still prefer the map of the zencart files, so I had some idea what I can delete and what I should not touch.
But thanks for the link
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Originally Posted by
meknownowt
I would still prefer the map of the zencart files, so I had some idea what I can delete and what I should not touch.
You probably don't want to delete much of anything.
Nevertheless, the documents at these links may be of helpful reference to you:
http://www.zen-cart.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=378
http://www.zen-cart.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=298
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Originally Posted by
DrByte
You probably don't want to delete much of anything.
0_47&products_id=298[/url]
why? there is a tun of stuff I would want rid of that is taking up product space Videos Music and other thigs I do not deal in could all go.
I undesrstnd they may need to be deleted again after an update but I can't see any reason to kep them?
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Sorry but I had no choice but to message here
How do I place a question on the forum I have gone round in circles I think I must be blind I have a problem with my cart I deal mainly in Uk currency but also want to sell to other countries. I set the currency to default UK and selected the other countries I wished to use. But it still works in dollers when I price things so I am having to go to Xe.com to convert. Also I noticed that when I click on the UK currency in the settings it says for example:
Example Output:
Ł30.00 = Ł15.87
I certainly dont wish to rob myself and I am worried I will under charge customers. Can anyone help me with this. I appreciate all the hard work you guys are doing and I am sorry if I am being a little dense :huh:
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Penster,
To post a new thread, go to the appropriate section of the forum for your
question, and there should be a "New Thread" button on the left top, under the menu bar.
Have you see this tutorial on setting up default currencies?
https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/index.php?article=79
Set your default currency to 1.00000.
Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by
TShooters
Penster,
To post a new thread, go to the appropriate section of the forum for your
question, and there should be a "New Thread" button on the left top, under the menu bar.
Have you see this tutorial on setting up default currencies?
https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/index.php?article=79
Set your default currency to 1.00000.
Hope this helps.
Thanks TShooters
I set the default by that very tutorial. It says my UK is set but keeps halving the total as though it thinks its dollars
I will try it again and thanks for prompting me on the New Thread "doh"
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Does this book include instructions on how to manage the website and do things from the FTP angle? Thats the toughest part for me to grasp without always bothering my tech savvy friend for help.
Thanks
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Now the following may be classified as the Brutal Truth but is it something that is expected of every new Zenner. :smile:
Using an FTP problem is one of those things everyone should know, if they run a Web site. Just like a Browser, FTP is learned through experience and people decide which one they want to use. Both have nothing to do any script but are required for basic usage of a Hosting account.
Any Book or install instructions for a script will usually provide information on what files are uploaded where but that is all the information one should need or expect. To learn more on how to better use an FTP program one needs to practice with it and/or visit the site of the where the FTP program was obtained.
In fact, the above would also apply to people looking for answers to questions. Be it here or somewhere else, many questions have already been asked/answered and many sites have Reference links, Tutorials and an FAQ section, such as this one does. Before starting a new thread one should do a Search, read the FAQs or Tutorials and see if their question has already been answered. Perhaps they will find a similar type thread and can post there, where the question is relevant, rather than starting a new thread on an old question. And posting the same question in multiple threads is considered bad form.
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I understand an FTP program. Whats unclear to me is how and where apply the available modifications. Most have very good instructions, but i must be doing something wrong. I just hope the book contains a lot of info. On that area. I don't need to know how to add new products to the site manually, add categories, manage the layout, etc.
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The book DOES contain a lot of info, but not about applying modifications (in the sense of the add-on modules from the download section). It is primarily about setting up and using the admin for things like zones, taxes, products, categories, attributes etc.
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Yes, CSS and PHP examples and/or sample templates with easy-to-follow, step-by-step instructions in plain English for non CSS and PHP savvy zenners would be great!
I am finding quite a bit of info about editing files, but exactly WHERE to find those files and exactly HOW to do what is instructed is very confusing.
Examples, Samples, and simple to follow instructions to use as a guide would be appreciated very much.
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And there are tutorials like that out there. (see my sig line) Or Google "Zen Cart Tutorials" and you'll find a bunch.
The e-Start book is a great starting point -- and a great reference book. But there comes a time when you have to decide what does and doesn't go in a book. And As it is, it's what, 400 pages? The author couldn't cover every aspect of templates because they are themselves weighty topics. I highly recommend it to everyone just starting out with Zen Cart, because it will answer, for most people, 90% of their questions when they're setting up their cart. (There's always the odd question that isn't in there. There are too many differences with server configurations, etc. not to have questions outside the "norm.") Once you are ready to go forth and customize, however, you might need extra assistance, depending on your skill level.
I also suggest going to the FAQ page (link at the top of the page) and looking through there. Quite a bit of good information there too on where to find files, the template override system basics, etc.
HTH,
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The response from madmumbler is one of the reasons I abandoned Zen Cart.
There is a blind spot to providing basic information and instructions to the beginner. The FAQ's, WIKI and eBook are all written with the idea that everyone should intuitively know the basic structure and interfaces of the Zen Cart application.
But, as I was once told, you get what you pay for.
Zen Cart is a great and powerful application, if you already know how to modify and set it up. It does not, however, have documentation for the beginner. :lamo:
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WHAnderson, you are correct in what you said about a Beginner because people are Beginners all over the place.
Some are Beginners at using Web site software; their Browser, FTP, Hosting Control Panel, etc.
Some are Beginners at coding; HTML, JS, PHP, etc.
Some are Beginners at using a script Admin section; any script Admin.
Some are Beginners at using Zen Cart but know the first 3.
The last Category is what this Forum is about and who it is for.
Unfortunately, many people are in one or more of the first 3 Catagories PLUS the last one. That makes it difficult to provide help as typing out the same instructions on how to use; an FTP program, HTML Editor, etc. PLUS instructions for their Zen Cart problem, is left out of many instructions; be they in a Book about a particular script or in a Forum Reply.
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Originally Posted by
WHAnderson
The response from madmumbler is one of the reasons I abandoned Zen Cart.
There is a blind spot to providing basic information and instructions to the beginner. The FAQ's, WIKI and eBook are all written with the idea that everyone should intuitively know the basic structure and interfaces of the Zen Cart application.
But, as I was once told, you get what you pay for.
Zen Cart is a great and powerful application, if you already know how to modify and set it up. It does not, however, have documentation for the beginner. :lamo:
There is a lot of information out there if you are patient and can find it. *LOL*
I'm fortunate that I'm a writer first and foremost, and because I'm not rich (still waiting for those lottery numbers...) :cool: I am totally self-taught.
I think a huge problem with many "newbies" isn't a lack of knowledge -- it's a lack of patience.
I have taught senior citizen women, many who BARELY (no exaggeration) knew how to turn on their computer, to learn their embroidery digitizing programs. Most of them came into my classes with the mindset, "I'll NEVER learn this!" when they first looked at the manuals (written mostly in Japan by program engineers who have English as a second language). That's how I ended up writing software tutorials. I write what I wish was around when I started.
But I'm not a programmer. Far from it. I am, however, very very stubborn, and very, very patient. :smile:
I've seen a lot of people post in the middle of the night U.S. time wanting an immediate answer (usually one covered in the FAQs here on the site) and then posting back fifteen minutes later upset that no one has replied.
That shows a lack of patience.
When I approach a new piece of software, while I will admit to a few swearing sessions and wanting to throw something through a wall, if I step away for a while, switch tracks, then come back and read through different things, usually it will click.
Another common mistake is someone will come in and want Zen Cart installed NOW. RIGHT NOW! Fully customized and tweaked and ready to go. And that isn't possible, even for the most highly-skilled programmer of Zen Cart software.
So I hope one day you will come back to Zen Cart and take a look at it again. It really is great software (and I looked at several). It is very powerful (albeit sometimes frustrating).
And bring your patience.
Lots, and lots of patience. :cool:
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THANK YOU very much for that madmumbler :smile:
I was beginning to doubt whether I could REALLY pull off a zencart site and I have spent quite a bit of time perusing the boards, FAQ's, etc. before ultimately posting what seemed to me like some VERY basic questions (directories I can't find, EXACTLY where to find the lines to be modified, etc.)
I also purchased the Zencart Manual book (before I saw your e-books on LuLu - which I plan to get a few of, too!) and started using it, which helps, too.
Anyway, just glad to hear that my patience and perseverance WILL pay off... and how exciting it will be when I can come back to these boards to say "I DID IT" and offer help to others that will be where I am now... :clap:
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Thanks Craft Magick! :smile:
When I first downloaded ZC over two years ago, it took me HOURS to figure out how to install it (no, I didn't read the FAQs *LOL*) because I looked at the .zip file with WinZip and didn't "see" the file structure. *LOL* Once I realized DUH I had to unzip the thing to my hard drive, I was able to go on from there. *LOL*
I've progressed from there to customizing my own templates. I didn't even try to tackle the template for several months, because my old site scheme, the classic green fit in perfectly. *LOL* I changed the logo and background colors, but nothing else.
So newbies should realize that it's not an overnight process. IF you're an expert with php and css, yes, you will make faster progress. If you're converting your store over from an existing site, take your time to properly learn ZC's template override system and take baby steps. There will come a time where it will suddenly click and you'll take off like a rocket. That point is different for everyone.
I've used different systems, from static HTML PayPal pages (what a PAIN!) to a built-in system from a host (who shall remain nameless, but it was useless!) and now finally to ZC. I love ZC. For me, it fits my needs nearly perfectly. (If I can just figure out how to better integrate ZC and Joomla, it will be totally perfect. *LOL*)
Patience. Lots and LOTS of patience. If someone can read and has patience, then I can nearly guarantee they WILL learn ZC. But they have to have patience and take their time and work through it at a reasonable pace.
AND folks, don't be too cheap to buy the e-Start book. If you have problems and little patience, it is a timesaver. And take time to really look through the FAQ and Wiki pages.
And this is for everyone -- don't forget to donate to the ZC project! :) This site costs them money to run, and their valuable time. If you had to buy an out of the box software, it would cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars. So donate to them for their time and effort for giving us Zen Cart.
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Thanks for the tips, madmumbler. I'm sure I'll be seeing you around the boards and I hope to chat with you again :smile:
Well, I'm off to work on my new ZC store :clap:
Warmest Regards,
C
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
How about a question for a really new Zenner? How do I post a new thread to this forum?
Is it on my screen and I just can't see it?
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Originally Posted by
gus1924
How about a question for a really new Zenner? How do I post a new thread to this forum?
Is it on my screen and I just can't see it?
Select the forum in which you wish to post a new thread then look at the top left of the screen for the "new thread" button. Click that button and you're all set.
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Originally Posted by
gus1924
How about a question for a really new Zenner? How do I post a new thread to this forum?
Is it on my screen and I just can't see it?
https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=309
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The map idea was actually a good idea for me but not in the way I thought, as I am not a web designer and will not be making changes like a web designer would over and over on other peoples stores. so will not recall it in the same way.
I am sort of using the map idea with the aid of a screene shot and the numbering of the code lines in the css, marking down in the place it links to, also adding the php file names the same way. Also add the number or titel of the helpfile if there is one.
I first tried a printed version but then switched to an image software version, as the numbers change when I add to the css.
this is helping with the design and should also help later if I want to make changes or add anything, as not using that part of the system everyday I'm bound to forget.
Downloading the site from the browser helped a lot with locating the css.
I do know some things I would like to see added someplace and that is some idea on the settings and what you should make sure is not set wrong, things to watch out for on set up, or a checklist of things we all have to do before we can consider the store operational
some more resources for the bussiness side of things possibly its own section or forum section, I suspect that has a lot of pitfalls but the fact we are all in different countries a forum section would be better.
Also when people are making their helpfiles possibly adding a warning for common mistakes. I know I made a few like adding a capital to one of the folers of the template and not to the rest.
Finaly an idea of what resources running a shopping cart will take for example the size of your host package per numbers of items or what is the ballpark figure for a site with ten, twenty, thirty or a thousand items, items?
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wow
well I am back at it again. I took a month off..uploading downloading etc. Still trying to get that "SALES MESSAGE GOES HERE" off of that screen.
FTP/SQL etc...tried failed, tried failed..etc etc.
kept getting errors, easier to uninstall 6 times than try to figure out what was going wrong.
GOT THE BOOK
read it, but how come there is only one sentence on changing the SALES MESSAGE GOES HERE, and one sentence on the Header....
not in depth enough for a NEWBEE like me. I need the road map to town not the town itself.
Anyway...still looking for the cheapest way just to have the main words changed or a logo put in their place...also...
am I mistaken, but once I have the page set up to a basic green page with words, adding stuff to the catalog and catalog basic maintenance and basic day to day sales can be managed from the Admin log on...???
I wont have to do any fancy FTP WORK?
believe me, nothing fancy..
just the basic green page thingy
UNLESS there is a program that downloads on top that makes ZEN a drop and click frame site...??!
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Originally Posted by
Ryk
The book DOES contain a lot of info, but not about applying modifications (in the sense of the add-on modules from the download section). It is primarily about setting up and using the admin for things like zones, taxes, products, categories, attributes etc.
already bought and yes you are correct, the basic functions of changing the main heading was only mentioned in one sentence, and that is my first, main and last problem. I kind of get the idea that the admin screen can handle catalog and basic store maintenance but not the major eye sore theme i.e. get rid of the "SALES MESSAGE GOES HERE" thingy. learning the FTP thing is making my skin crawl. I have already been through uploading and uninstalling 3 or 4 times. I am being hosted by godaddy and it is no them not me thank goodness....
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Here - https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=127 - strangely enough, with the title of
How do I change the "Sales Message Goes Here" or "Tagline Here" text?
which itself is within the section called
Template Customization/ Building Overrides
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thanks...it still all looks greek to me, I know that I cannot access any of that stuff via the control panel, so from there I am lost...but thanks for the info...
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Originally Posted by
Sandhya
thanks...it still all looks greek to me, I know that I cannot access any of that stuff via the control panel, so from there I am lost...but thanks for the info...
download a copy of the Zen Cart distribution to your PC. Unzip it in to a folder and you then have the ability to edit whatever file(s) you need.
Once you've don the editing you can then upload them to your server.
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Originally Posted by
Sandhya
wow
well I am back at it again. I took a month off..uploading downloading etc. Still trying to get that "SALES MESSAGE GOES HERE" off of that screen.
FTP/SQL etc...tried failed, tried failed..etc etc.
kept getting errors, easier to uninstall 6 times than try to figure out what was going wrong.
Some of the questions I have both asked and found in the ZenCart Forum dealt with finding where to find the text to replace and how to change the Logo. I found a little program which helps me to find those things. It is called "Wilma" and is an outstanding Indexing program for individual files, folders or hard drives.
You can find Wilma Desktop Indexer at: http://wilma.redtree.com/en/help/index.html.
As for the question of where to find, and change, "Sales message goes here." You can find it at:
/zencart/includes/languages/english/classic/header.php
<?php
/**
* @package languageDefines
* @copyright Copyright 2003-2005 Zen Cart Development Team
* @copyright Portions Copyright 2003 osCommerce
* @license http://www.zen-cart.com/license/2_0.txt GNU Public License V2.0
* @version $Id: header.php 2848 2006-01-14 09:47:08Z wilt $
*/
// header text in includes/header.php
define('HEADER_TITLE_CREATE_ACCOUNT', 'Create Account');
define('HEADER_TITLE_MY_ACCOUNT', 'My Account');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CART_CONTENTS', 'Shopping Cart');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CHECKOUT', 'Checkout');
define('HEADER_TITLE_TOP', 'Top');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CATALOG', 'Home');
define('HEADER_TITLE_LOGOFF', 'Log Out');
define('HEADER_TITLE_LOGIN', 'Log In');
// added defines for header alt and text
define('HEADER_ALT_TEXT', 'Powered by Zen Cart :: The Art of E-Commerce [home link]');
define('HEADER_SALES_TEXT', '<h1>Sales Message Goes Here</h1>');
define('HEADER_LOGO_WIDTH', '200px');
define('HEADER_LOGO_HEIGHT', '70px');
define('HEADER_LOGO_IMAGE', 'logo.gif');
// header Search Button/Box Search Button
define('HEADER_SEARCH_BUTTON','Search');
define('HEADER_SEARCH_DEFAULT_TEXT','Enter search keywords
here');
?>
Hope this helps.
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
If Sandhya is having trouble with the sales message text, I think installing Wilma is going to be waaaaay up the learning curve! :wink:
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I'm sure WHAnderson had the best intentions in recommending Wilma but no sense using a Windows Shell program when better ones are available.
Agent Ransack has been in my Web Toolbox for many years and works like a charm. Freely available for the Windows platform and should work on all versions.
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Found this digging in the forums, it was new news to me :oops: and thought others might not know either... so I thought I would place it here.
from DrByte:
Quote:
Further, if you are careful to NEVER click a link to an external site (even via bookmarks or linkbars etc) while logged into your admin, then its existence won't be shared.
Remember, when you click on a link, the info about what site you're going FROM and going TO can be tracked by the servers involved. Thus, if you have your admin open and then open another site from your admin, you have just shared your admin URL with that other site's server, and it will show up in their stats reports.
So, the key is ... don't do that ! Always access your admin from a fresh browser tab/window, and always close it when done.
Then google and others won't be able to index it.
Its security is largely dependent on your safe-computing practices.
http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showpo...77&postcount=7
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how do i make add to cart showing on my home page near product ?
(in specials ,new products,featred)
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Well, add me to the list of people frustrated by their inability to change the "Sales Message Goes Here" line.
I'm not a COMPLETE dummy (most of the time). But either the instructions are wrong or I can't read.
The tutorial says:
> To change the “Sales Message Goes Here” or “Tagline Here” text to say what you want open the includes/languages/english/header.php file in your text editor. Find the following line of code:
> define('HEADER_SALES_TEXT', 'Tagline Here');
> Replace the tagline text with your own text, making sure that the single quote marks are not left out.
> Save the edited file to includes/languages/english/custom/header.php and upload it to your server.
> NB: By default the text “Sales Message Goes Here” is located in includes/languages/english/classic/header.php
Okay. So I opened and edited includes/languages/english/header.php using Notepad (everything smarter made my store blow up) and, lo and behold, it has that Tagline Here line. So I carefully replace the text in between the single quotes with Welcome to MamaSylvia's Stuff and save it to includes/languages/english/custom/header.php Then I upload it to http://www.SteigerFamily.com/ZenCart...nglish/custom/ Then I go to http://www.steigerfamily.com/ZenCart/ and I see "Sales Message Goes Here." Argh
Maybe I was supposed to upload it to the regular includes/languages/english subdirectory. Nope, sales message is still there.
Well, even though the FAQ says to edit includes/languages/english/header.php, it also says the "Sales Message Goes Here" is in includes/languages/english/classic/header.php. Maybe I should edit that one. So I open it and change Sales Message Goes Here to Welcome to MamaSylvia's Stuff, save it back into the includes/languages/english/custom/ directory and upload it to the http://www.SteigerFamily.com/ZenCart...nglish/custom/ and try reloading my ZenCart home page. Again, I see "Sales Message Goes Here."
Well, maybe I was supposed to upload the header.php from the classic subdirectory into the classic subdirectory on the site. Woops, that was exceptionally bad, now I have a blank page. I quickly upload unchanged the header.php from the classic subdirectory on my computer and reload the main store page again. The Sales Message Goes Here is unchanged but at least I don't have a blank page any more. Putting it in the regular includes/languages/english subdirectory didn't get rid of the sales message either.
Bluehost is my hosting service and I use their WebDisk program to transfer files, which has worked fine with everything else I've done, including installing ZenCart. The only possible oddity I can identify is that WebDisk says the header.php file is on https://www.SteigerFamily.com:2078/ZenCart/ etc. directory, and I don't have an SSL certificate (and I said "no" to SSL on installation). I've uploaded every combination of edited and unedited pages I can think of. I can NOT see what I'm doing wrong. What would a pro charge to make that one change for me? I've got products up ready to buy, some in different flavors or scents, I've done dummy orders and gotten all the way up to the final click in Paypal, so it looks like everything is functional. But that message is really annoying and unprofessional-looking.
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Confirm that when you go to admin > tools > template selection that the template DIRECTORY name is indeed "custom".
Looks to me as if you've got the Classic template selected
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Re: Things every New Zenner needs to know
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Originally Posted by
Ryk
Confirm that when you go to admin > tools > template selection that the template DIRECTORY name is indeed "custom".
Looks to me as if you've got the Classic template selected
I just made the custom directory in my template directory. is the only file I need to add to that "template_info.php"? nothing else such as css or images files?
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Originally Posted by
ttb
I just made the custom directory in my template directory. is the only file I need to add to that "template_info.php"? nothing else such as css or images files?
Well, strictly all you need is the template_info.php file. But it won't be much of a template without some custom images and styling, not to mention textual changes from default Zen Cart wording.
:smartalec:
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Originally Posted by
kuroi
Well, strictly all you need is the template_info.php file. But it won't be much of a template without some custom images and styling, not to mention textual changes from default Zen Cart wording.
:smartalec:
does that mean I need to copy/add the css and images folder into the CUSTOM folder as well? ideally from the classic/templates folder?
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Originally Posted by
ttb
does that mean I need to copy/add the css and images folder into the CUSTOM folder as well? ideally from the classic/templates folder?
You don't need to no. The stylesheet is probably a good idea, and there is a lot of structure embedded in there (but when I'm feeling brave I start with an empty one and build from the ground up), however you would only copy the images if you wanted your template to look like the classic template, otherwise you'd create your own.
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> Confirm that when you go to admin > tools > template selection that the template DIRECTORY name is indeed "custom".
Yes, it is set to "classic." I tried to edit it to change it to "custom" but there are no options other than "classic."
All I want is the easiest, simplest way to replace the "Sales Message Goes Here" with "Welcome to MamaSylvia's Stuff." I'm not trying to do a lot of fancy layout or page customization. I may later on, but my immediate concern is simply to get the store working. I also need to find that 3-lb tare and change it, which I have had NO success with, sheesh!
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Originally Posted by
mamasylvia
> Confirm that when you go to admin > tools > template selection that the template DIRECTORY name is indeed "custom".
Yes, it is set to "classic." I tried to edit it to change it to "custom" but there are no options other than "classic."
All I want is the easiest, simplest way to replace the "Sales Message Goes Here" with "Welcome to MamaSylvia's Stuff." I'm not trying to do a lot of fancy layout or page customization. I may later on, but my immediate concern is simply to get the store working. I also need to find that 3-lb tare and change it, which I have had NO success with, sheesh!
you need to add a new directory to your includes/templates folder. call it "Custom" or whatever name you have chosen. then, go into the new folder you just created, and copy template_info.php from your classic file into your newly created directory. you can then edit the new copied file to change the name of the template to whatever you like.
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Upgrade? I haven't even gotten this version figured out!
As for creating new subdirectories and template files: isn't there an easier way to do it? Why won't the program just take editing a single line of the classic file? Why can't I just delete the whole top banner? I realize these options wouldn't work for a serious store designer, and maybe at some future point I'll be interested in making my store prettier. But right now I just want quick-and-dirty-and-WORKING.
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the scenario I laid before you would take 30 seconds. maybe a minute if you type with 1 finger. if that isn't "quick and dirty" enough, then you may have other issues more pressing than web design. :hug::yes::thumbsup:
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ttb, maybe it would take YOU 30 seconds. It took me several minutes to realize I didn't understand what you were talking about. However, I think I did that going through the tutorials TShooters recommended. And when I switched to the custom template, my store disappeared. Is this a bug? The ONLY thing I changed in the template_info.php was templage name and author. I haven't even figured out how or where to change the "Zen Cart" page title that appears at the top of Netscape.
I'm not a programmer. I'm a user. I consider myself an advanced beginner at HTML (I think you should be able to set up left and right hand columns to be considered an intermediate user) and know nothing of CSS. But I follow "go to this directory, copy this, put this here, change this line" instructions very well.
TShooters, I did try to go through the tutorials. I went through all the steps of the first one, and when I changed the template from classic to custom -- my store disappeared. The main page was completely blank, the same problem I've had when I uploaded the modified .php files to some directories earlier. So I quickly changed the template back to classic -- the "Sales Message" is annoying, but a disappearing store is critical.
The second tutorial listed all the places I could put up a custom directory. If this is supposed to help me, I missed it. I'm not trying to customize much at this point, just the "Sales message" message.
The third tutorial about template overrides was way beyond my current abilities. Might as well have been written in Greek. Is it necessary to just get rid of the "Sales Message" message? (Serious question. I really don't know.)
The fourth one, on Understanding Overrides, actually was more readable but only concerned what I consider fairly advanced changes, that I don't need.
Am I alone in thinking getting rid of the two "getting started" messages on the main page should be simple? Changing the message on the define_main_page.php was very straightforward, I did it completely from within the ZenCart management program. Why isn't getting rid of the "sales message" message equally simple and straightforward?
I hope this is the smilie for banging one's head against the wall: :frusty:
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mamasylvia, you provide good Feedback as it's important for Document Writers to know if what they wright is understandable & helpful; as is their intent. Although it is true that some learn better by visual aids then by reading documentation, words is mostly what we have here at the Forum.
Next step is to use the FAQ page (link at top of this page) and practice searching for what you need. I, for example, typed in "Sales message" and got back a link to How do I change the "Sales Message Goes Here" or "Tagline Here" text?
Learning to effectively use Searches within the Forum, FAQs and Wiki, are all part of what every Zenner needs to know. And based on the type of feedback you have provided so far, I'm sure some improvements can be made. :wink:
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Who knows? When the next version of ZC comes out, it may have some new,
can't-live-without features that you'll want. And any changes you made to the
core files (classic template, included) will be over-written and you'll have to start
alllllllll over.
What did you put in your custom template file? The css folder/files from classic? The images folder/files? The template_info.php file? If ZC isn't reading your
chosen template, you should have at least be seeing the default css (lots of
different colors) from template_default.
Are you making your file changes on the server? You should be making your
changes on your computer with a simple text editor, then uploading them to
your server.
If you want the tagline gone, and don't plan to have your own text there...find this in your stylesheet at around line 209:
#tagline {
color:#000000;
font-size: 2em;
text-align : center;
vertical-align: middle;
}
and change it to this:
#tagline {display:none;}
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Website Rob, I already went through the "how to change the sales message" FAQ. see my detailed report on what happened in message 474 of this thread.
Tshooters, I put in the new /custom subdirectory exactly what the first tutorial you referenced said to. At this point I don't remember what that was, I just followed the directions. And other than what can be edited using the built-in define_pages editor, I edit everything on my computer, save to a /custom subdirectory on my computer, then upload to whatever directory on my server looks relevant. (I have learned the hard way the value of keeping an unedited copy on my computer so when something I uploaded makes my store disappear, I can quickly re-upload the original so my store appears again.) Also, I don't know what "my stylesheet" is to make the changes you suggest.
I think there are three types of potential customers for ZenCart:
1. The rank newbies. These seem to be the ones who most frustrate the experts here. They don't know HTML or CSS and expect to instantly make millions with their web sites. IMNSHO, Zen could easily become the cart-of-choice for these people if someone wrote a "Getting ZenCart Started for Dummies" AND everything that is automatically set at something that has to be changed (checkout method, shipping setup, and of course the stupid "Sales Message Goes Here") is easily changed THROUGH THE PROGRAM. Oh, and make the "dummies" file downloadable. Even if the touted book does exactly this, having to order it and wait for delivery is impossible. I've only been working on my website a few days, but it is up and running. I'd still be waiting for the book if I'd ordered it, and I'd probably have lost interest in Zen Cart by the time it arrived. But if there was a step 1 for getting rid of the "change this" messages, a step 2 for shipping/taxes/currency, and step 3 for actually adding products, later optional steps could cover attributes, sales, coupons, Emails, etc. The basics would be done and the store would be functional.
2. Those with a little knowledge but far from experts. I put myself in this class, as I was able to maintain my own HTML website and static catalog pages using Paypal's shopping cart. We could benefit from the "dummies" file I described as well, although we're probably more likely to progress to the more-than-basic features like attributes.
3. The pros. These folks already know CSS as well as HTML and are excited by Zen Cart's massive customization features. They are the ones who probably benefit from the current FAQs and tutorials. Every time I've searched them, I've found highly technical articles covering what I wasn't asking. (I apparently have a black thumb for searching anyway. DH and I had a contest once where we started on a search engine at the same time using the same keywords. He had several good links bookmarked while I was still wading through ######## sites.) I would not say anything against these folks, or any of the fancy features (I hope to know enough to use them some day), but if the Zen Cart folks limit their potential market to only here, both Zen Cart and the less-knowledgable people will be the losers. It is already so close to easy-to-use for the beginners that only a little effort would be needed by the programmers.
I did finally find the shipping tare and think I fixed that. I'm getting accurate weights in the shopping cart now. Remaining question is how to get rid of the "Sales Message Goes Here," of course. New questions include: how to rename the "Page 2" link on the main page, I'd like it to read "MamaSylvia's Blog."
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Sylvia,
Your stylesheet is in the css folder of the includes/templates/your_custom_template...usually named stylesheet.css
Most of us have been where you are...newbies with heads spinning over
the sometimes very technical jargon of the forum. At first, I asked
myself "What is this overrides they are talking about?" And, I don't have
a custom folder anywhere. And I went merrily on my way customizing
the original files.
You will get the hang of it. It just takes a little time to learn. We'll try to help. :yes:
Check out: https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=127
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Originally Posted by
mamasylvia
I did finally find the shipping tare and think I fixed that. I'm getting accurate weights in the shopping cart now. Remaining question is how to get rid of the "Sales Message Goes Here," of course.
New questions include: how to rename the "Page 2" link on the main page, I'd like it to read "MamaSylvia's Blog."
Instead of trying to remove the "Sales Message Goes Here" use it to your advantage and replace those words with "Mama Sylvia's Outstanding Products and Services". Not only will that let people know who you are, it will give the Search Engines and Spiders something useful to list.
I have already changed it in the header.php listed below. The line is highlighted in red. You could just copy it as 'header.php' to your "/zencart/includes/languages/english/classic/" folder.
Or, you could just replace the changed lines in your "/zencart/includes/languages/english/classic/header.php" file.
<?php
/**
* @package languageDefines
* @copyright Copyright 2003-2005 Zen Cart Development Team
* @copyright Portions Copyright 2003 osCommerce
* @license http://www.zen-cart.com/license/2_0.txt GNU Public License V2.0
* @version $Id: header.php 2848 2006-01-14 09:47:08Z wilt $
*/
// header text in includes/header.php
define('HEADER_TITLE_CREATE_ACCOUNT', 'Create Account');
define('HEADER_TITLE_MY_ACCOUNT', 'My Account');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CART_CONTENTS', 'Shopping Cart');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CHECKOUT', 'Checkout');
define('HEADER_TITLE_TOP', 'Top');
define('HEADER_TITLE_CATALOG', 'Home');
define('HEADER_TITLE_LOGOFF', 'Log Out');
define('HEADER_TITLE_LOGIN', 'Log In');
// added defines for header alt and text
define('HEADER_ALT_TEXT', 'Powered by Zen Cart :: The Art of E-Commerce [home link]');
define('HEADER_SALES_TEXT', '<h1>Mama Sylvia's Outstanding Products and Services</h1>');
define('HEADER_LOGO_WIDTH', '200px');
define('HEADER_LOGO_HEIGHT', '70px');
define('HEADER_LOGO_IMAGE', 'logo.gif');
// header Search Button/Box Search Button
define('HEADER_SEARCH_BUTTON','Search');
define('HEADER_SEARCH_DEFAULT_TEXT','Enter search keywords
here');
?>
As for the 'Page 2' title. you should be able to change that using the Administrator Console. If not, you can got to "includes -> languages -> ENGLISH -> page_2.php" and replace the lines:
define('NAVBAR_TITLE', 'Page 2');
define('HEADING_TITLE', 'Page 2');
with
define('NAVBAR_TITLE', 'Mama Sylvia's Blog');
define('HEADING_TITLE', 'Mama Sylvia's Blog');
Zen Cart is a powerful shopping cart put together with PHP, CSS and HTML. This mix will confuse a lot of straight HTML programmers because they are not used to dealing with the integrated functions between the different coding languages.
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Okay. TShooters, I made the change you suggested in the stylesheet in my custom directory, uploaded it to the site, switched to the custom template, and (as usual) wound up with a completely blank screen. This is the same thing that has happened every time I've switched to the custom template. Fortunately, it's easy to switch back to the classic template, but the "sales message" remains at the top of every page on my site.
I hope I don't sound like a Zen hater. It has a lot of features that I really like, especially inventory control, shipping by weight, and timed sales. I just found that I can automagically send a coupon to all new customers! (Most of what I know has come from what I have found while looking for something else; I'm currently trying to find where I turned on order processing error notifications. Anyone remember where that is?) Once I figure out Salemaker, I think I'll like it even more. It's just that this one annoying feature is so prominent! It's like someone hanging a glaring turquoise-and-orange painting in your living room; every time you walked by it, your eyes would be assaulted.
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WHAnderson, I've changed that line in header.php numerous times. Depending on where I upload the changed file, I either get no change or no shopping cart. I'm starting to think it's a bug in the program, not me.
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There is not a bug in the program - Try reuploading all of the Zen Cart files. (after you make a back up of your changes)
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open includes/languages/english/classic/header.php
find this line of code
define('HEADER_SALES_TEXT', '<h1>Sales Message Goes Here</h1>');
delete the highlighted portion leaving the single quote marks
save the file and then upload the file to the same location on your server
includes/languages/english/classic
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> delete the highlighted portion leaving the single quote marks
This is SO weird. I followed your instructions even though I was sure they wouldn't work, since they were almost identical to what I've done numerous times, trying to replace the "sales message" text with "MamaSylvia's Stuff" and had the whole store disappear. But they worked! The sales message is gone!
I wonder -- could the apostrophe in "MamaSylvia's" have been causing the problem? Was the program considering that the end single quote? If so, how can I put an apostrophe in so the program will recognize that it's just a text apostrophe?
I'm so glad that sales message is gone!
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Originally Posted by
mamasylvia
I wonder -- could the apostrophe in "MamaSylvia's" have been causing the problem? Was the program considering that the end single quote? If so, how can I put an apostrophe in so the program will recognize that it's just a text apostrophe?
Yes.
This related FAQ may help:
https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/index.php?article=93
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TA-DA!!!!!! That backslash did the trick. MamaSylvia's Stuff has a real header! Yaaaay! <doing happy dance>
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:clap:Glad you found and fixed the culprit!
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open includes/languages/english/classic/header.php
OH BABY!
I don't know what it is with my system, but I copied everything it would let me copy to a local drive, and tried the "search for sales etc" routine, and got nada...
I'm gonna go kill me some text. It NEEDS killin'...
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okay here's my question.
1. I got the book AND I have gone to FAQ...but...not found the answer that I am seeking...
2. I am working in Mac OSX and the book speaks to WINDOWS op systems :oops:
that's already a problem:
I am stuck on setting up the local host on powerbook. The instructions in the Zen manual say to go to system32 driver??? And then over write the last 2 lines of code. That's for windows. Is there an equivilent file for the MAC, where do I find that file?