to use WooCommerce does it rely on you using WordPress or is it standalone like ZC, (i.e. do you need to use WordPress as the CMS ?)
cheers, Mike
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to use WooCommerce does it rely on you using WordPress or is it standalone like ZC, (i.e. do you need to use WordPress as the CMS ?)
cheers, Mike
Yes, Woocommerce requires Wordpress.
When it 1.6 expected to be released? The roadmap says "soon" after 1.5.0a/b but that was 4 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrByte
I know the true answer is "when it's done/when it's ready", but I'm currently going through the painfull process of upgrading a heavily customized 1.3.9 to 1.5.4, and if 1.6 is about to be released then I'm wasting my time with the 1.5.4 upgrade.
If it's not coming out soon, how about a back-ported version of the new responsive template?
This thread is really the wrong place for answering all those questions. The short answer is always that it's always worth upgrading to the latest version regardless of when the "next" version will be available. In fact, doing a second smaller upgrade a month later is ultra simple by comparison, because you're working from a cleaner code base with fewer changes to adapt. That said, I understand the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstdenis
A v1.5.5 is in-the-works, which incorporates all the known bugfixes against v154 and older, and we're working on a simplified responsive template for it. Estimated release is sometime in the next month or two ... whenever it's ready. :)
The stock template is bogging by today's standards and if you've a few add-ons upgrading can be a ball ache.
That said, I came to the table with absolutely no programming experience whatsoever and have been selling online for about 10 years, so i'm grateful, thanks guys.
I've messed with allsorts since using Zencart and I cannot find anything as customisable and controllable with as helpful a community.
I know of others who have had sites custom built that don't work as well or are as flexible as ZenCart and they have spent £1000s and even £10000s.
I think it needs to be remembered what size of a project it must be putting together an ecommerce solution that can bend to fit the needs of the many. So I reiterate that i'm grateful, and when I have to put work into my site on my part I don't welcome it but neither do I begrudge it.
Thanks for replying (and in my other thread too).
In the case of 1.5.4 to 1.5.5, yes this is true. But a 1.5 to 1.6 would likely be more complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrByte
Since it looks like 1.6 is a "someday" release, I'll continue my 1.5.4 and patch it up to 1.5.5 when that is ready. Thanks.
Is there a right place?Quote:
This thread is really the wrong place for answering all those questions
I think it's a relevant place, as
a) all those who are fed up with the apparent current state of affairs head right on in to see if others feel the same and to maybe get some relief/not feel so frustrated.
b) there is no other place, as requests for info are met with at best silence. Only newbies are inexperienced enough to ask.
Those of us who have lingered here for some time are aware that "things are ready when they are ready" i.e. "done properly" and that beggars can't be choosers, no-one is paying for development etc... so no-one can demand anything from anyone etc...BUT, the point is often made that Zen Cart is so great due to the very helpful forum... which is made up of its users and who I feel DO warrant some consideration based on the input they make in terms of taking time out from their business to answer questions and create mods and the fact they have trusted to base their business on Zen Cart and it's continuing development.
I think that a few comments not even every month would go a very long way to assuaging people's uncertainty about the future, rather than the absolute silence we have come to accept.
I disagree.Quote:
The short answer is always that it's always worth upgrading to the latest version regardless of when the "next" version will be available. In fact, doing a second smaller upgrade a month later is ultra simple by comparison, because you're working from a cleaner code base with fewer changes to adapt.
I too am knee-deep in a site rework for a responsive template and having to put business matters on hold until it's finished. It would not be very efficient to have 1.6 come out shortly and have to rework it again.
And no I don't think it is less work each time you do an upgrade.
I have a heavily modified site and the mods need to be merged/updated each time with the corresponding testing, so yes each upgrade is a pain in the arse and the point at which every user looks around in desperation thinking "it's 2015, I can't believe I am comparing hundreds of files, there must be something better than this".
I have a business to run and spending days using up the zero spare time/sleeping time I have on upgrading and testing is not fun nor business-like nor popular with the kids. But it comes with the DIY territory so I should not complain...but still I don't want to repeat it within a couple of months if I can avoid it.
"So get someone else to do it" you say: no-one else is allowed in my well-documented modified site and I could count on my nose or other singular appendage the people I would trust with my site.
Seeing bug-fixes to be included in a 1.5.5 is depressing as that means 1.6 is waaaay off....and as for 2.0 with a "modern" architecture, who knows. When that is finally ready for alpha testing maybe there will be no need for an upgrade script as there will be no-one left here needing to upgrade? Depressing thought.Quote:
A v1.5.5 is in-the-works,
Other open source projects seem to have momentum and visible progress and communication. I don't see it although I know it is there.
It seems to be that the dev team are not concerned about getting new users (I can understand that as the 1.x stream is a dead end) but more importantly not keeping existing ones, all it takes is occasional information about the state of things that comes more often than Santa Claus.
I would like to know why the visible effort is in improving 1.x when it's going nowhere? Bug fixes yes please, but spending all this dev time making it look pretty?
Lipstick on a pig. So it has an ugly template, who cares, every shop should make their own anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be able to able to recommend ZC to all the people who ask me, but I can't.
I would LOVE to package up all the mods I have fixed and improved...but I can't justify the time. I still keep up my Spanish translation, but why should I bother with one download a week and they are going to use Prestashop anyway?
I would LOVE to see this project up there with the current "best" and feel good about having made the right decision years ago and stuck with it, while my peers think I am nuts to continue with it.
But, progress "looks" like too little, and far, far too late to make up the lost ground...but prove me wrong please or at least tell us something about your thoughts and plans!
I concur absolutely...but please tell us what is happening!Quote:
I think it needs to be remembered what size of a project it must be putting together an ecommerce solution that can bend to fit the needs of the many. So I reiterate that i'm grateful, and when I have to put work into my site on my part I don't welcome it but neither do I begrudge it.
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Steve
Hundreds of files???Quote:
Originally Posted by torvista
If using the template override system there should be only a hand full (maybe 50-60 files) that would require comparing/merging
and any core files that one might have edited
I have never seen a cart that was modified have hundreds of files affected
True, but you have to compare old vanilla with new vanilla, then your mods with the two to see if your mod code should encompass the change or just be merged. Depends if the mod is additional functionality or changed functionality.Quote:
If using the template override system there should be only a hand full (maybe 50-60 files) that would require comparing/merging
and any core files that one might have edited
Still, all 1700 files have to be compared, easy as it is with Beyond Compare if they are unchanged.
But that was not the point of my post. I am not complaining about having to carry forward my mods, that is my problem.
I am querying:
a) why 1.6 is being done at all when the future requires 2.0 and its framework?
b) more advanced notice of releases (even within 3-4 months) would help business upgrade planning, and more progress and roadmap info would go a long way to alleviate concerns and frustrations and avoid threads like this.
just because you have not seen it does not mean it does not exist......Quote:
Originally Posted by kobra
i sympathize with torvista having recently done one upgrade and now starting another. using diff and comparing files is never fun...
the new upgrade i'm doing has a responsive template, and the template itself has already modified core files. and that's before any other changes.
having worked with magento and their template override system, never modifying core files, i can not say if it's any easier.
that said, no one likes vaporwear; and i respect the ZenCart team's decisions about announcements and the like. you get what you pay for...