[Old] Royal Mail Modules

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Hi Guys,

This was the closest thread i could find to what i am looking for, so i do apologise for going off on a tangent a bit.

I am trying to replicate this: http://www.flowersdelivereduk.com/UK...n-or-City.aspx

to be able to provide customers a search facility for cities, towns, and regions of the UK.

Is there any module that can do this or any suggestions of the best possbile way to do this.

Thanks for your thoughts in advance

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Do you use the royal mail to ship with at the moment as it may not look like this but would charge the correct amount .

all I can think is add an extra page to your checkout but don't think there is a mod that would do this at the moment

You may need to pay somone if you needed something like that

sorry could not be more help

I've just installed this module which looks like it will save me a lot of work. Thanks!

We will be shipping books, however, and there doesn't seem to be a module for Airmail Printed Papers.

Has anyone already created the files for this that they could share or give me advice on how to create for myself?

*Hide Shipping Weight*
Hi everyone,
I have been using this excellent module for quite some time now but now would like the shipping weight hidden on the 'estimate shipping' and the parts of the checkout where it is show.
Any help would be much appreciated!

Hi, And thanks for the mod. I have been using 2.2.1a1 on ZC1.3.7. I am about to upgrade to ZC1.3.8a and to 2.2.1. In the first instance, I would like to upgrade the Royal Mail module to 2.2.1. Is upgrading a relatively straightforward process of copying across the newer files and is there a script to update the DB entries?
TIA,
RtX

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Originally Posted by RtX

Hi, And thanks for the mod. I have been using 2.2.1a1 on ZC1.3.7. I am about to upgrade to ZC1.3.8a and to 2.2.1. In the first instance, I would like to upgrade the Royal Mail module to 2.2.1. Is upgrading a relatively straightforward process of copying across the newer files and is there a script to update the DB entries?
TIA,
RtX

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all you have to do is copy over the includes folder (over write) .. login to your admin uninstall royal mail shipping and reinstall
no db files needed

Hi,

Royal mail charge extra for special delivery next day to be guarenteed on a saturday. Is there anyway to incorporate this? for example making it so that in a customer chooses SDND on friday it adds an additional cost OR would it need to be a seperate option with a seperate price e.g. "Royal Mail Special Delivery Next Day (Guarenteed Saturday)"?

Thanks,

Joe

guys,

any help with the above???

also are there any plans to update the mod to include the new prices that came in april 2008?

J

I think the updates have already been made!

Hi guys really need some help

this shipping module owrks great with weights but royal mail now require dimensions for example if a package is above a set size it becomes a parscle and if a letter is to deep it becomes a large letter.

therefor in orderto ship items with the correct price there must be either

a) an option to set each product to a set shipping module

or

b) a method to insert dimmensions on each product

and i cant work out how to do either i assume this module has the capability but i cant seem to find out how to enter dimmensions for each porduct or to set a prduct to a shipping type

Hi,

Has anyone ever solve the problem of silly counties when using zones. In particular I am thinking of London, Cardiff, Edinburgh etc which if we're lucky comes up as London, London etc.

We've always got away without using zones at all in the past but we now send to the Channel Islands where no VAT causes us problems.

Hello,

this post is as much for my own sake in case I forget about it and run into the same issue installing this on a site in the future. I had the problem of Eurzone48, Int'l Datapost and Int'l Standard not working properly, when selecting them in step one of the checkout and hitting continue, one got returned to step one again.

After a bit of searching, I found this page http://www.babygekko.com/html/downlo...3-zencart.html
which deals with this issue. It seems that the underscores in those files create a problem. Installing the new files (or modifying the old ones) didn't seem to work at first, but this was due to duplications of function calls and/or removed but not uninstalled modules. So I removed the module/language files, then cleared the duplications in the database - just search for for example international_datapost and internationaldatapost etc.

Make sure the modules are uninstalled first though, otherwise you'll also list the tables with installed modules and you don't want to delete those! As always when working with your database, backup backup backup!

I've yet to do a really extensive test, but things seem to work now.

karl

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Originally Posted by karl19

Hello,

this post is as much for my own sake in case I forget about it and run into the same issue installing this on a site in the future. I had the problem of Eurzone48, Int'l Datapost and Int'l Standard not working properly, when selecting them in step one of the checkout and hitting continue, one got returned to step one again.

After a bit of searching, I found this page http://www.babygekko.com/html/downlo...3-zencart.html
which deals with this issue. It seems that the underscores in those files create a problem. Installing the new files (or modifying the old ones) didn't seem to work at first, but this was due to duplications of function calls and/or removed but not uninstalled modules. So I removed the module/language files, then cleared the duplications in the database - just search for for example international_datapost and internationaldatapost etc.

Make sure the modules are uninstalled first though, otherwise you'll also list the tables with installed modules and you don't want to delete those! As always when working with your database, backup backup backup!

I've yet to do a really extensive test, but things seem to work now.

karl

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Hi Karl,

I'm having the same problem with the parcel force datapost and standard international which I've only just recently installed.

I've read through the various posts on the subject and saw babygekko's fix etc but I can't see anywhere in the download where there is a step by step description of what I'm meant to do to fix the problem.

I know you've described what you did in the post above but it still confuses my small mind. I don't suppose you could break it down 1 layer of simplicity for me (and whoever else has this problem)

From what I gather I should
1. uninstall all the modules in admin.
2. copy the files over again.
3. remove the module/language files (what are they?!?)
4. search through my database and replace international_datapost and international_standard with internationaldatapost and internationalstandard

Is that anywhere near right?

thanks

Hi barricades,

Sorry it took a while to reply, I was away for a couple of days.

It could be this wont work for you (especially in terms of Parcelforce, as I've not used that one), but you're partly on the right track. If my memory isn't failing me already, this should get you going:

1. Uninstall the modules which don't work in the admin.
2. Remove the respective module files online.

Essentially, for each module you'll have a function-file and a language file. If you download the Royal Mail package from the link above, check in the includes folder and you'll see how things are set up:

- includes/modules/shipping
- includes/languages/english/modules/shipping/

Your original upload has the same setup, but a couple of the files have underscores in the file names, which has now been removed, for example internationaldatapost.php. You need to remove the old files for each shipping module which you aim to replace.

3. Check your database for any instances of for example international_datapost - it might be that these get removed when you uninstall the modules in the admin, but since I did this in a convluted way, I had to remove them in the database too.

4. Upload the new files for each module you want to use (both function- and language files).

5. Install the modules in the admin.

I think that should work for you, at least for eurpost and the two international ones (datapost and standard). As mentioned, I'm not sure about Parcelforce. Someone also mentioned that Int'l Standard now delivers across all zones (not just the farther ones), plus the prices are dated 2006, so you might need to double check the pricing.. I've not had time to do that yet.

Good luck!

I need a bit of help here.
When testing I have a product that the weight is set to 1kg.
in the cart it shows: Total items: 1 Weight : 1kg thin if I estimate Shipping cost it shows the same Total Items: 1 Weight: 1kg. but in the available shipping methods it is showing 4.000kg(s) and is pricing at that.

Anyone have a clue where the 3 extra kg are coming form? This is also showing in check out. :unsure:

Hi StarBuck,

A possible reason for this is the "tare" value, which is additional weight to account for packaging. If you have a look at Configuration > Shipping/Packaging in the admin, most likely the rate for small to medium sized packages is set to 0:3. This means 3kg will be added to the package.

Although I'm not 100% surem, it could also possibly be a handling fee set for the shipping module being used in the checkout. Have a look at Modules > Shipping in the admin for whichever modules you're using and see what the values are.

Hi,

I just installed the Royal Mail module and it looks great, seems to work great appart from a spot of operator error.

I some how have the v.a.t. being printed twice on the same line and the v.a.t. being calculated twice, has anyone come accross anything like this? I am sure it is something I will have done wrong with the tax / country / county bit of the module.


This is what shows at the check out + the invoice etc.

£23.10Sub-Total:
£4.20Royal Mail Standard Parcels (3 to 5 days. Delivery to England : 0.300 kgs):
£10.39V.A.T. + V.A.T.:
£37.69

it should be
sub total £23.10
vat £4.04
total£27.14

My cart worked fine before I added this mod, I am sure it is in the tax / country set up but I can not see the wood for the trees.

Any ideas or help greatfully appreciated.

Help! A customer from germany sent an e-mail to let me know that the checkout was sticking on page 1. Afetr searching through the posts I saw the underscore answer above. I updated the file to remove the underscore and ran the sql patches bat this did not change anything. Thought I would bite the bullet and reinsatll the full module with the correct filenames. I have done this but in admin modules shipping no Royal mail options are showing up at all now. Am I missing something?

scottrdj,

We also had the problems with checkout pages sticking at step 1, although for us the reason wasn't due to the Royal Mail module, but rather that at the end of some of the checkout PHP files, there were a couple of empty lines in the code. This gave us a "Header already sent out" error, which caused the problem.

There is a module at the ZC site, with which you can output your PHP errors - unfortunately I can't seem to find it now, but I think it was created by Dr. Byte. Have a search for it, it's very useful to track down small errors.

hello all,
i have installed this module but i am having a problem with some of the options , i have the courier set up and working fine, my problem is, i deliver in small packet sizes envelopes, this option is in 1lb ,the module is in kg , is there a way to change the weights to pounds for the shipping options? or do i have to change my store to run in kgs, if so ? do you know how i can achieve this? please be patient as i am new to all this, i have the book but unfortunately it doesn't explain this module,

Steve

Try looking at this.... https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=204 Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by steve1965

hello all,
this option is in 1lb ,the module is in kg , is there a way to change the weights to pounds for the shipping options? or do i have to change my store to run in kgs, if so ? do you know how i can achieve this? please be patient as i am new to all this, i have the book but unfortunately it doesn't explain this module,

Steve

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Originally Posted by SilverKop

Try looking at this.... https://www.zen-cart.com/tutorials/i...hp?article=204 Hope that helps.

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:cheers: mate

steve

right everything is fine for the uk, i have just had a customer on the phone he does not have a shipping option from northern Ireland ? how do i insert zones manually , i have read the ukzr installation.pdf that comes with the moduel, but i dont know how to install them

Zone 1 you should have United Kingdom and Scotland, Wales and England if you have
Scotland, Wales & England installed. The easy way to tell this is to try and buy something and
check is Scotland, Wales or England appear in the drop down ( i only have the uk):jawdrop:

For Zone 2 you should have insert these zones manually: (as mentioned above there is no way to
predicating which ones you have installed i.e. “Ross & Cromarty” as one zone or seperately as
“Ross-shire” and “Cromartyshire”). ( i dont understand how too ?)

i cant add a subzone as the country doesnt appear in the drop down , if i try to add norther Ireland as a country it asks for ISO CODE 2 and ISO CODE 3 and ADDRESS FORMAT how do i find out what the isocode 2 and iso code 3 are ?

same for Scottish highlands.

steve

Steve I am just running into a few issues with the postal zones myself. I have got the cart running and practically configured without having to resort to additional help, I find I learn the subject better that way. I have to admit defeat on the zones however as the shipping estimator is reporting errant charges. Here is my background. This module has helped greatly with my setup which I am concentrating on the UK only at the moment.

I have all the countries listed and they include, UK, England, Wales, Scotland, N. Ireland, RO Ireland, Isle of Man and the Scilly Isles.

I have the UK zone with everyone in the UK listed except RO Ireland. These places are then repeated in additional zones for their respective areas, England, Scotland, Wales, Cannel Islands, N. Ireland, RO Ireland, and Isle of Man.

OK the Zone definitions, are set up as per the instructions I think :blink:
UKZR: Zone 1: United Kingdom, Scotland, England, Wales. all set to "all zones"
UKZR: Zone 2: Scotland, with all the outer regions specified AND because they are also listed in the United Kingdom list there is a duplicate list with the same outer regions of Scotland in the Country "United Kingdom"
UKZR: Zone 3: Isle of Man, Northern Ireland, Isle of Scilly with "all zones"

OK when I use the shipping estimator I get the following:

Country: United Kingdom, State Province: Glasgow - UK Zone 1 and the correct fee.

Country: Scotland, State Province: Glasgow - UK Zone 1 and the correct fee.

Country: United Kingdom, State Province: Bute - UK Zone 1 and the wrong fee.
(the Bute region is in my zone 2 listing with Scotland and United Kingdom countries)

Country: Scotland State Province: Bute - UK Zone 2 and the correct fee.

So clearly there is something wrong with my logic and I would appreciate some input to correct my error.

Naturally I can see where the errors are coming from, but I thought there was some logic looking at the zones when it's conducting the calculations?? I don't really know so I will stop before I make a fool of myself :D

Thanks in advance.

Nigel

OK to further qualify what is going wrong I see the error coming from the way the Scottish highlands are part of several zones.

Using Bute as an area in the Highlands and therefore should be part of a postal zone 2 charge. It receives postal zone 1 charges currently because (I think) it is also included in the United Kingdom area zone, also the Scotland area zone.

So
UKZR Zone 1 Mainland UK. Includes the United Kingdom area zone, and the Scotland zone, both of which include Bute in their listings.

UKZR Zone 2 Scottish Highlands. only includes the regions of Scotland that are in the Highlands.

When I was setting it up I followed the instructions to the letter or so I thought :lamo:

I really would appreciate a pointer here to resolve this dilemma!

Regards.

Nigel

If anyone has answers to my issues above I would be grateful. Is there another thread more active than this one per chance??

Regards

Nigel

I'm a little confused. Is the Big Royal Mail a development of this module? The installation for Big Royal Mail does not specify any SQL patch to be run but 3 are included in the download. However, it is not clear which, if any, one should use. Can someone please clarify? Thanks.

There is a text file in the root of the folder "install.txt" use that and the adobe pdf file in /Docs to install. You don't actually need to run any of the scripts, it all depends on your zen version and the way you have your countries set up.

Details are in the pdf file.


Nigel

Your zones look right to me. - Your rates are not getting screwed up by the Tare value or some other stupid addition that Zen Cart makes in the background, by any chance?

Also, I don't mean to add to your headaches with the BRM contribution (which is a really nice update), but letters can only be 240mm x 165mm and not more than 5mm in thickness, whilst large letters can only be 353mm x 250mm and not more than 25mm in thickness.

I have tried to add length and width (in place of thickness) values to Zen Cart but cannot get them working, and then there is the added problem of integrating them with BRM.

I also investigated the possibility of adding a filter to the BRM so it would not use certain postage options with filtered category/product IDs and the possibility of expanding the contribution so you could specify that certain postage services not be used in the product listing details page for serious fine tuning of the postage services. - Both of these would have the added advantage of not needing to add length or width variables into Zen Cart and the database.

Discovered another problem with BRM: it does not seem to work with the Google Checkout mod.

- The mod picks up on the BRM modules no problem, but lists each as not being configured even when they are.

I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix this, but I would guess that the values being passed to the checkout are not in a recognised format because the PayPal Express Checkout seems to have no problems whatsoever recognising them.

It does work with googlecheckout you just have to put the shipping tables that you use into the shipping_methods.php file (or replace it with shipping_methods_uk.php ,will have to add ukzr manually) and make sure that the API callback is going to https://<url-site-url>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php

If you have any luck in getting filtered categories/products then that would be a great help

Evening all,

So if there a problem with the module ? It's been a long time and I saw that it was maintained well. One thing woud have been easier though. When I wrote it and then left, I was in the process of working by increment, so that the SQL calculations for postage say for "signed for" could be worked out as "first class weight + 0.98 pence" or whatever the current value is, then when the rates changed there would be a "base set of values" say from April 2008 and all the installation program would do is go, right we're now on version XXX so we need to split the stored values by : and comma loop through them and add 19 pence. There would be special cases for exampled when 21p is added rather than 22p, but a few sql statements was a lot easier than manually having to add each value (because I did it about 17 times and it's an onerous task).

So who's in charge now and what's the problem ? If the data is being posted out to one payment method, but not to another, the best thing would be to dump the data in the payment module causing the problem and work out if it is actually still there, or being lost on Google's side of the net.

Regards.
Philip

Just to confirm, this is really me, my old bouncingltd account actually still works, but I prefer the other one.

The short story is I disagree with the ZC moderators on certain topics and so left.

I'm disabled and my rehab team suggested I try and do something to take my mind of it. Along came someone with a question on Big Royal Mail, who didn't know I'd left (I'm very surprised this account still works) and while I was looking through his code I found a security hole in a payment module.

I fixed that bug and now am sort of developing that module, the same person that dragged me back in, mentioned there appears to be something going on with this module and payment modules, so I might be able to help. I'm just as tetchy as ever, but I'm not looking to tread on anyone's toes, I just thought I could help with the debugging if need be,

is Pixxi still around ? I never worked out if it was a he or she, but they were always very capable.

Philip.

Thanks, topcat24, I will look into that.

I am just finishing the my webstore installation off to try and get things going before Christmas, but I really want Google Checkout on my site, so hopefully that will be on the cards over the weekend between walking and finishing off some orders.

bouncingltd, - so you are thinking of taking up the torch on this mod? - Good luck! - I don't know about pixxi, but I do know that the mod could use some kind of filtering in the product lists or the addition of length and width/thickness in order to get letter and large letter postage working properly.

- At the moment I have had to remove the functionality of those modules because I sell 1m threaded rods and cannot have people being able to buy these with a 36p postage charge because the weight is less than 100g!

Re: philip_darke post:

Why would you do this? - The seperate module approach seems to handle most situations well without incrementation.

The only problem area (for me, and topcat24 it would seem) is not being able to remove certain postage options per product, eg: on the product listing pages, and not being able to limit letter and large letter by the length and width/thickness of the item(s) to be posted.

I'm not saying that incrementation is not necessary, - I'm simply not certain what issue it would be addressing, save possibly as an alternative to having multiple postage modules, when some things could possibly be handled by a smaller number of modules.

Okay I'll just write using this account as I'm trying to manage another module. Okay I'm not here to take over or anything. I am thinking of whomever is maintaining the project, when I first did this I had to manually enter those weight:price colons for 17 different modules (approx) and then they changed the prices, and it is a hell of a bad job for whomever is the maintainer. After having done it twice, I was moving towards have a base set of values, then when RM change their prices it's a lot easier just to go "right add 20p to everything" because you can also key it on a date, so if they change on April 23rd then you can tell the system to activate the increment then.

Believe me, filling in those text boxes so that you lot can use the module is really really boring. I seriously don't envy that part of the module maintenance.


Now Next Point: (I'm working backwards). Apparently in a japanese modification of ZC there is the ability to put dimensions in, I was going to investigate this but never got around to it because of the abrupt way I left. Yes, I felt it was needed when things went by dimensions but it would be very difficult although the benefit would be that then there would only be one first class module that would shift pricing if the purchases reached a certain dimension, that would be very cool.

Easy Removing of Postage options, one could add a non-displaying attribute to each product, as a flag for the modules, like Attribute: SKIP_FIRST_CLASS_LETTER and then key that into the modules. That would be an easy fix (assuming that one can set attributes to non-displaying). I thought when I left it, that the modules did disable themselves on weight though ? It's been a long time anyway.

Hi!

On the shipping section, is there a way of limiting shipping
options on each product to one. For example, at the moment lightweight items could be large letter or small packet depending on size, but I don't want large letter rate to come up if they have to go as a small packet, as customer would obviously try to use the cheapest option.

Hope you understand what I mean.

Thanks!

basically no, it's been under discussion for a long time, I was the original author, someone's taken it over, but so far there is no way of limiting size attributes.

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Originally Posted by bouncingltd

Just to confirm, this is really me, my old bouncingltd account actually still works, but I prefer the other one.

The short story is I disagree with the ZC moderators on certain topics and so left.

is Pixxi still around ? I never worked out if it was a he or she, but they were always very capable.

Philip.

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Hi Philip! :-)

Glad to see you're still up and fighting :-)

This thread (and module) has really missed your expertise, attention, and knowledge - big time.

Some people have gallantly stepped in and updated the postage rates (and whatnot) in your absence, but it would seem that you are the only person that has the ideas and capacity to develop and sustain what you initially created.

No, it's still 'your' mod - other people have just stepped into the breach (as it were) while you were away, to try to keep it usable for all of the people in the UK who really need a Royal Mail shipping mod.

Glad to see you back - people here need your skills and experience! (just ignore ...) ;-)

Best wishes

Pixxi

Oh you bottom kisser you, but you've got to admire whomever did update the postage rates because that was a really unpleasant job.

I'm not back, at least not yet, I never stopped programming, just did it for myself, then my rehabilitation team suggested I start "work" again, and a guy from here Carl happened to ask a question about the module, so I fixed that, and when looking through his payment gateway code (he had another problem) I found a security hole you can drive a truck through. DrByte suspended the module in question and the developer fixed it, I modded it, and now am really working it through to give it some performance. The same security hole exists over ot osCommerce, so I go over there, get flamed, find out that there's been holes outstanding for two years, I've been banned from posting now for five days over there for pointing out that one of my flamers (?) blatently stated he knew about at least one hole but has been installing the shops for people. the GPL covers the developers for no warranty but I'm pretty sure that trading standards would have something to say about a bloke installing faulty shops under the "fit for purpose" laws.

I have a lot of "work" to do as I've got to finish off the module here, then try and persuade them over there that they really should fix the exploits, and then I may just make it back over here to see what's been going on. My memory is full of holes because of the medications over the years, but I thought we'd agreed that we'd increment the SQL so that no poor sod had to do what we had to do all those years back and type in weight:postage amount, hundreds of times and then check them all ?

I promise that once I've tried to put some security into the payment modules, that I will have a proper look at attributes, see if I can reduce the modules down into incremented versions and then (optionally because someone won't configure their catalogue correctly) key them into sizes. I don't even know what username I'm signed in under. Because it's me, I've also had to fix three people's servers over the last few weeks, because they'd misconfigured things.

What more can I say ? I've certainly missed you, it was an almighty relief to see you pop up again, because maybe we can get cracking again in the near future.

I actually have no idea why I should be doing this, it just looks like someone has to ;-)

Will you look at that ? every time I write colon and the a word beginning with p like this :p some little icon appears and sticks his tongue out at me, did this board always do that ? One of these days I am actually going to work out how to be a geek and do that smiley stuff and pick a cunning username that bears no realtion to me as a real person at all. All this "virtual" stuff, still can't make head nor tail of it, it's really simple "write programs for the real world people", you don't get more real than the Royal Mail. I mean me trying to post a valid point and then I stick my tongue out at myself, what is the world coming to ?

Hey, Philip! - It's cool to hear of someone with a RL now and again. - Sometimes it's like us geeks live in some myserious world that never touches on RL so your issues are good to hear even if not that good.

I would love to see the BRM module back on track again, even if it meant doing all the boring stuff myself!

Personally, thieving shamelessly from earlier posts, I don't see why filtering on the product side of things, disallowing certain postage options, and adding both thickness and length attributes should be that difficult.

Also, for the love of something/someone, could whoever updates the module make the darn thing work with GoogleCheckout and the default Zen Cart checkout. - At the moment I have just finished 14 days of painstaking work on my site only to find that now, in the final moments leading the glory of a completed store, I can only have "walk in" and other (default) postage options for people wanting to collect in person, pay by cheque, or pay by postal orders. - Seriously not amused...:sadwalk:

Err works with PayPal and WorldPay, I'm sure about that.

Okay let's get debugging then, on your confirm checkout page, you need a print_r($_SESSION) to see what is going on, it should list the cost of shipping that you are sending through to googlecheckout. Then the HTML in the background, the "hidden" stuff should replicate this in a manner google shoud be understanding. IF this is a post, I haven't looked at checkout yet, which I shall just go now. I have about 5 minutes free before getting back to working on security modules for you lot.

(It's not exactly complex using attributes to negate postage sizes, but it's a max length/ width/ height thing and ZC already have a weight splitting option that gets right in the way, an exampled would be boxes 24mm in height, you can fit 9 of them into an A4 padded envelope, but who'es to say that you are not piling them up on top of one another and so instead of large letter, using packet ?)

Thanks
Philip.

Which default zen cart checkout, does it not work with ?

Philip.

Well this is weird... I was looking at the database trying to figure out what was going wrong.... created another test user... and the darn thing started working fine.

So now it's just GoogleCheckout giving me a headache. - Not sure about the check method you listed, but let me take a look and I will try to work out where we both are with this; I suspect you are using PHP console, which I don't have unless there is something in my cPanel I can use.

As for the length/thickness thing... Well I would have to use common sense with that one. - For example, though, a length variable would allow me to prevent someone with an item over 250mm from sending it as a letter or large letter, whilst a thickness variable would allow me to prevent someone from sending an item that has a 35mm diameter by letter or large letter.

Preventing the use of certain postage modules during product creation would be a much easier to implement solution, though. - This way there would be no guess work for the customer and no situations where the modules say yes when in fact the answer would be no because I would know whether a given item could realistically be posted using a certain method and could therefore accurately allow or disallow certain postage methods based on that.

Oh, and my cart version is 1.3.8a... thanks again, Phil!

in cpanel you have a text editor under file manager or something similar, I saw it a couple of weeks ago. I cannot get my own modules to work with the ZC test data on a test site, because it's USA based in lbs at the moment. 5 Minutes turning into 2 hours.

Yes, I do have one of those notepad thingmys... but then I also understand how to use Notepad ++ and my sFTP connection is almost 24/7... :smile:

The lbs thing involves two files, so that (at least) shouldn't keep you tied up for too long you'll be pleased to know.

Anyway, a couple of codeine with extra strong coffee and I'm now good for the next four hours :rotflmao: so...

GoogleCheckout installed and yes, it is picking up the modules OK in the admin interface but displaying them all as being %name% not configured, where %name% is the name of the module.

So... I guess that I should just be able to edit one of the .php files now to give me that session thing...

Right, this is a continuation of my 'breadcrumbs' trail for anyone else trying to sort their setup out.

This is what I am currently seeing below the GoogleCheckout button on the checkout (it's not PHP, but those tags make it stand out better):

PHP Code:

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Error: Shipping Methods not configured
rm1stlargeletter (ignored)
rm1stlargelettersf (ignored)
rm1stletter (ignored)
rm1stlettersf (ignored)
rm1stpacket (ignored)
rm1stpacketsf (ignored)
rmamassmallpacket (ignored)
rmamassmallpacket500 (ignored)
rmamisfsmallpacket (ignored)
rmamisfsmallpacket500 (ignored)
rmamsmallpacket (ignored)
rmstdparcels (ignored)
rmstdparcels100 (ignored)
rmstdparcels250 (ignored)
rmstdparcels500 (ignored)
specialdelivery (ignored)
specialdelivery9am (ignored) 


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Are you taking the mickey ? DiHydroCodeine is one of the medications that keeps my disability from killing me.

Okay now I have installed it, I have used the shipping generator too, that creates some shipping php code that is then saved as (overwritten) as shipping_methods.php That part of it works in the sense that after doing that, in the admin area it would appear configured correctly in

Default Values for Real Time Shipping Rates

but I have no idea what that means, I also have no way now of testing further since I have no google checkout facility or gateway, so unless you want to mail me you sandbox settings, then I could continue. There seem to be a lot of "standard" settings at the bottom with fedex and ups, but I have no idea why because I haven't read the instructions yet, I've just got it working this far.

Philip.

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

Right, this is a continuation of my 'breadcrumbs' trail for anyone else trying to sort their setup out.

This is what I am currently seeing below the GoogleCheckout button on the checkout (it's not PHP, but those tags make it stand out better):

PHP Code:

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Error: Shipping Methods not configured
rm1stlargeletter (ignored)
rm1stlargelettersf (ignored)
rm1stletter (ignored)
rm1stlettersf (ignored)
rm1stpacket (ignored)
rm1stpacketsf (ignored)
rmamassmallpacket (ignored)
rmamassmallpacket500 (ignored)
rmamisfsmallpacket (ignored)
rmamisfsmallpacket500 (ignored)
rmamsmallpacket (ignored)
rmstdparcels (ignored)
rmstdparcels100 (ignored)
rmstdparcels250 (ignored)
rmstdparcels500 (ignored)
specialdelivery (ignored)
specialdelivery9am (ignored) 


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IS all this information at googlecheckout or on the shop, has the shipping_methods.php been sorted out on your end ? That is pushing every module through to somewhere.

I believe I have fixed it.

I deleted shipping_methods.php, renaming shipping_methods_uk.php to shipping_methods.php... and everything is showing up perfect everywhere!

I have yet to do a test order, but am about to and will report back when I do.

As for the codeine, I was not taking the mickey. - I actually suffer from chronic migraines that have hospitalized me on a number of occasions and strong codeine with ibuprofen is about the only stuff that controls the damned things... and it is so nice just to be pain free for several hours and to be able to concentrate without feeling like I've just been in a major headbutting session with a brick wall... :frusty: :smile:

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

I believe I have fixed it.

I deleted shipping_methods.php, renaming shipping_methods_uk.php to shipping_methods.php... and everything is showing up perfect everywhere!

I have yet to do a test order, but am about to and will report back when I do.

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Reading the shipping_uk code, he already generated everything needed for the uk modules to work, whomever coded it though very much ahead. It would appear that instructions in the zip file are somewhat lacking though.

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

As for the codeine, I was not taking the mickey. - I actually suffer from chronic migraines that have hospitalized me on a number of occasions and strong codeine...

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Don't take codeine then one of the side effects is supposed to be migraines (don't get them myself). Might be codeine phosphate, but that doesn't work on me, I take 8x 30mg tablets of DHC a day the strongest panadol contains 7.46 mg (sometimes I need a bit more) it takes the pain just down to the level where the adrenalin puts my heart rate up to 90-120 BPM a minute at rest. No codeine and

• headache due to withdrawal,
• my heart goes to 150 bpm at rest so walking up the stairs could make it explode.

Pain doesn't kill, the body's response to 14 years of pain can though.

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

I believe I have fixed it.

I deleted shipping_methods.php, renaming shipping_methods_uk.php to shipping_methods.php... and everything is showing up perfect everywhere!

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Now you see if you had read the changelog then

24/08/2007 v1.4.1beta1 (ropu)
- Added shipping_methods_uk.php with UK pre-configured shipping methods.

so all that one needs to do to get google checkout working is to rename a file for the past 14 months or so !

You've a very bad condition there and, yes, it is the phosphate variant I take.

...and yes, it would appear that Ropu has added a UK profile and not coded it in properly (scrambled logic statements?)

I agree that the documentation could be better, too. - The installation test, in particular, is very confusing because it leaves you not knowing whether you should be seeing a login request page or not.

Incidentally ('breadcrumb' time again!) According to Misty, and several other users of the module, if you see the login screen when carrying out the installation test then all is good and fine, and your GC module is installed correctly.

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

You've a very bad condition there and, yes, it is the phosphate variant I take.

...and yes, it would appear that Ropu has added a UK profile and not coded it in properly (scrambled logic statements?)

I agree that the documentation could be better, too. - The installation test, in particular, is very confusing because it leaves you not knowing whether you should be seeing a login request page or not.

Incidentally ('breadcrumb' time again!) According to Misty, and several other users of the module, if you see the login screen when carrying out the installation test then all is good and fine, and your GC module is installed correctly.

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Well I don't know about that, but I'm not supposed to be "here" I'm supposed to be checking through the payment module's security in general, so I may ask you a favour at a later date to borrow your sandbox.

Philip.

Well, I suppose being here beats being flamed by a bunch of ungrateful so-and-so's over at OSCommerce...

...and there shouldn't be any problems testing with our sandbox if it will help you with your projects.

You might need to PM me, though, 'cause I'm not always online at the forums and my hours vary allot - at the moment I'm in a nocturnal phase... http://litez.co.uk/images/wolf.gif

It doesn't work.

Seriously, I have just put a sandbox together and the google checkout does not work. the shipping_uk one has all the modules in it wheter they are installed or not, and the only thing that I can see is that google will charge £1 for the shipping. NOT a good place to be for your at thi exact momnet in time. It is NOT the shipping Module, it appears to be the implementation of the google code, where that button appears, it needs a rewrite

Just checked, it's a flat rate system that just labels the amounts you put in. It does knock off international things if your google is set to the UK, but it's just a flat rate with a royal mail title grabbed from the modules.

It needs to be stopped, placed in the traditional way, where people can choose the correct shipping for the weight and then pass the information to google. Basically it is a very limited button. At least on my screen the checkout appears under the chopping cart, not on the confirmation page, so there is no change in delievery address, it takes google's account details address. I have overriden the default templates, when I didn't, I dind't get the google button.

anyway this is not something to discuss here, it's something to discuss over at the google checkout cupport thread. And osC, I have no idea, and I doubt they do, I checked again and the download contains at least 7 exploits, the payment modules are now in disarray as the guy that screens the add-ins, just doesn't as "I havea mortgage to pay" and the only person with the keys to the code has gone walkabout. 14,000 osC shops alomst all of them with at least 2 exploits, and they said "don't blame the coders".

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Originally Posted by philip_clarke

Just checked, it's a flat rate system that just labels the amounts you put in. It does knock off international things if your google is set to the UK, but it's just a flat rate with a royal mail title grabbed from the modules.

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I will now eat my own words. :no:

This is how google checkout works and it's really quite good but you have to configure it very carefully.

:smartalec: Right here goes then first off go here:

http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php

and check if you get this type of error message

Cannot open /var/www/html/googlecheckout/logs/response_error.log file. Logs are not writable, set them to 777

So you set them to read write or owned by the webserver.

What happens is that you click on that Google button and it sends you to google with a call back to get the shipping rates that you have specified/ installed. When you set up google checkout then you put in default values for your service in case the call back fails, and this is why I thought it was a flat rate. So if set up correctly it goes.

• Click on button
• go to google
• google calls your shop for the shipping rates available for the weight of the item
• the rates appears in the select

if the call home fails, then it reverts to default values you have set up.

To try and diagnose the problem is a bit "tricky" visiting the googleresponse page above is helpful in that it if you have correct permission to write to your log files, then it presents you with a password access box ! This is the first time that I have seen true two way communication between a payment module and shipping rates.

So UK people,

• install "big royal mail"
• then install google checkout,
• then copy googlecheckout/shipping_methods_uk.php to overwrite shipping_methods.php.
• then visit
  
  http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php
  
  
  to see if you get errors (and remember on a test site google may still not be able to communicate with your shop).
• put in default values for the UK shipping modules in case communication does fail in the google payment module.
• remove all the USA shipping options at the bottom which is irrelevant by setting GoogleCheckout Carrier Calculated Shipping to false

That should then work (paypal donations to [email protected] for having worked this through and having written the modules in the first place).

Philip.

Hello again!

Thanks for the testing. - I've hit another problem with something else, so I had not got around to doing the tests on GC just yet.

I will review what you have listed and will post again later (maybe much later - looks like you've been pretty busy!).

Yup, my setup is working just fine according to the test - good work Phil! - and I will set my test user loose on it just as soon as I can figure out the current problem with the Zen Cart default checkout.

It would probably help if I knew which default checkout ? Authorise.net or something ? The module is pretty robust, I'm over at the worldpay thread sorting some minor bugs out and just as a note, I will be having keyhole surgery on my spine on 7th November UK time. I do have an idea for releasing a UK specific google checkout though, just to remove the USA based fedex things and try and re-word some items to make it clearer as well as write some proper instructions as it's pretty hit & miss.

How do you mean which default checkout? - I don't have a card processor, so I have to use a gateway-based solution, which is PayPal by default for myself but I would prefer to get GC going if possible.

...and that surgery sound nasty, keyhole or not - I hate being in hostpital!

Every so often you write:

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

the current problem with the Zen Cart default checkout

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I assume from your last posting you mean paypal, but which one ? I believe there are three, IPN certainly works every time (because I used to sell plastic photographic lens caps with it).

Anyway, I prolapsed another disc about 20 minutes ago, so I think surgery is not likely. (seriously I have a lot of experience slipping discs). I have waited just over 3 years for someone to try and attempt this operation, so I am not very happy about this.

I use the express checkout. - The other two options comprise of a basic goto PayPal and do everything there version and another for hardcore merchants that has lots of bells and whistles (supposedly).

Slipped discs? - Was God simply in a bad mood when they designed spinal columns? - They must have been in your case ...and 3 years for a vital operation? - Heck, that's bad!

Quote:

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

I use the express checkout. - The other two options comprise of a basic goto PayPal and do everything there version and another for hardcore merchants that has lots of bells and whistles (supposedly).

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I might have time next week to have a look, last time took 2 1/2 hours just to configure the server, to then find out that my modules worked but the google instructions were lacking.

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Originally Posted by coffee granules

Slipped discs? - Was God simply in a bad mood when they designed spinal columns? - They must have been in your case ...and 3 years for a vital operation? - Heck, that's bad!

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I have random muscle spasms, normally they either dislocte a shoulder or rip a muscle, I was mugged some time ago (yes people do mug the disabled) and they kicked me between the shoulder blades and damaged a disc, by sod's law a spasm hit me right on that area and I felt it go. 3 years is a long time, especially as it's the same type of operation they tried back then. This time it's experimental and they will put an anaesthetic gel that will last 3 months into my cord. But slightly higher up. Technology has improved, but if the theory is wrong, I will still be in pain but lose the use of my leg and be in nappies for the next 3 months. Actually it might cure the pain, but still result in nappies, It has taken many MRI's and tests to even guess where they will try and hit so most of the 3 years has been spent waiting for appointments with different people giving different opinions. It has only been 10 weeks since they finally decided to give it a go as long as I know the risks and won't sue them (I was once removed from a hospital when I went to have a shoulder looked at as they reckoned it was too dangerous to touch without dislocating it and they thought I'd sue, which I wouldn't, I was there to try and get it back into place).

Well if your module worked that's something. - My GC module has given up on me completely - click on it in checkout and the page goes to do something and gives up, leaving you just where you were before you clicked, so I'm reinstalling (again!).

I really hope you get somewhere with your operations, though, - seems a shame that you cannot get in with the experimental projects being carried out in the states, as they seem to be making much more progress than we ever do in the UK with these things.

On my test system, google checkout works correctly but the button appears on evry page and it appears to slow the system down drastically. I've turned it off because there is a "serious" problem with comments on orders that I never knew and am trying to fix.

You know when you put stuff into the comments on orders, and don't notify the customer ? I assumed that this was for internal notes, so with one very dubious person with odd delivery adddresses and multiple order cancellations, I put "possible fraud" on the order comments so I could remember. Turns out all comments whether they are notified to the client or not, are readable on the order page, so I am adding a "discreet" module, since I've been feeding merchant warnings from the payment gateways into the order comments, to protect te shop owner.

I don't suppose anyone has taken the time to update all the prices for international datapost / parcelforce? I noticed all the other royal mail stuff has been updated but not the datapost etc...

I'd love them forever...?

Nope don't know if it was ever done, the updating was done by other memebers of the community while I was absent for a couple of years. I may be able to squeeze it in next week (if it need doing), but not any time very soon. A big spreadsheet with all the prices is also always helpful, it's how it was done the first time, and I don't have much time for trawling throught the royal mail website at the moment.

I've done the changes for World Zone 10 (USA) if anyone's interested but only for datapost.

In admin>modules>shipping>international datapost>edit then go to the box for World zone 10 and replace the prices/weights with:

0.50:43.99, 1.00:47.79, 1.50:51.59, 2.00:55.39, 2.50:59.19, 3.00:61.79, 3.50:64.39, 4.00:66.99, 4.50:69.59, 5.00:72.19, 5.50:75.09, 6.00:77.99, 6.50:80.89, 7.00:83.79, 7.50:86.69, 8.00:89.59, 8.50:92.49, 9.00:95.39, 9.50:98.29, 10.00:101.19, 10.50:103.79, 11.00:106.39, 11.50:108.99, 12.00:111.59, 12.50:114.19, 13.00:116.79, 13.50:119.39, 14.00:121.99, 14.50:124.59, 15.00:127.19, 15.50:129.49, 16.00:131.79, 16.50:134.09, 17.00:136.39, 17.50:138.69, 18.00:140.99, 18.50:143.29, 19.00:145.59, 19.50:147.89, 20.00:150.19, 20.50:152.49, 21.00:154.79, 21.50:157.09, 22.00:159.39, 22.50:161.69, 23.00:163.99, 23.50:166.29, 24.00:168.59, 24.50:170.89, 25.00:173.19, 25.50:175.49, 26.00:177.79, 26.50:180.09, 27.00:182.39, 27.50:184.69, 28.00:186.99, 28.50:189.29, 29.00:191.59, 29.50:193.89, 30.00:196.19

then update and it's sorted.

If anyone's bothered doing the rest of them and feels like sharing it'd be appreciated :)

If anyone does have the other figures, or the spreadsheet then I can always recopile the zip file and upload an updated module for everyone else.

Problem is that they get updated each year to so 1st of april 2009 they change again.

thats true, but at the same time people who use parcelforce do need to have the correct prices.

Perhaps people would be willing to do parts, if there was enough of us it would be dead easy.

I'm up for it, anyone else?

I'm releasing some security software this weekend (probably Sunday), after I've done that I'll be a little freer to have a look at the module. I could probably just release a parcelforce patch, or maybe the time has come to split the modules up a bit, if someone can just dig out the current spreadsheet showing zones and prices etc... it would help speed me up as I'll have to configure a test server anyway since I don't use them myself.

Philip.

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Originally Posted by philip_clarke

I will now eat my own words. :no:

This is how google checkout works and it's really quite good but you have to configure it very carefully.

:smartalec: Right here goes then first off go here:

http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php

and check if you get this type of error message

Cannot open /var/www/html/googlecheckout/logs/response_error.log file. Logs are not writable, set them to 777

So you set them to read write or owned by the webserver.

What happens is that you click on that Google button and it sends you to google with a call back to get the shipping rates that you have specified/ installed. When you set up google checkout then you put in default values for your service in case the call back fails, and this is why I thought it was a flat rate. So if set up correctly it goes.

• Click on button
• go to google
• google calls your shop for the shipping rates available for the weight of the item
• the rates appears in the select

if the call home fails, then it reverts to default values you have set up.

To try and diagnose the problem is a bit "tricky" visiting the googleresponse page above is helpful in that it if you have correct permission to write to your log files, then it presents you with a password access box ! This is the first time that I have seen true two way communication between a payment module and shipping rates.

So UK people,

• install "big royal mail"
• then install google checkout,
• then copy googlecheckout/shipping_methods_uk.php to overwrite shipping_methods.php.
• then visit
  
  http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php
  
  
  to see if you get errors (and remember on a test site google may still not be able to communicate with your shop).
• put in default values for the UK shipping modules in case communication does fail in the google payment module.
• remove all the USA shipping options at the bottom which is irrelevant by setting GoogleCheckout Carrier Calculated Shipping to false

That should then work (paypal donations to [email protected] for having worked this through and having written the modules in the first place).

Philip.

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When I try the http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php with my own site address, a box pops up and requests sign in details, have tried all the ones I can think of but none will get me any further.


put in default values for the UK shipping modules in case communication does fail in the google payment module.

Where is the question for that, as even though I don't think I can use the flat rate system, due to the items I carry, if I can get it to use the RM mod it would be great


I disagree with moving this great help we are getting to the google checkout post, as i have been reading through that for weeks, and most of the questions concerning RM and google, or the setting up of the flat rate just go unanswered.

Not blaming anyone for that just the fact most of those setting it up and discussing it on that thread are Americans and they will possibly struggle to reproduce the UK problems we are having

the other bit of copy and pasting the files across has got the google checkout showing correctly but I am getting an oopps this does not work message, and when I look at it, on google, it is saying I am getting an XML error due to 0.0 weight or something.

Any help from anyone would be great and hope all is well, after reading the earlier posts

Thanks for any help

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Originally Posted by blackjm75

Problem is that they get updated each year to so 1st of april 2009 they change again.

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Also, what I heard recently. they are supposed to be hiking the price up quite a bit this year so, anyone using RM should make sure they are ready to change these in a hurry, as it may end up costing you.

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

When I try the http://<YOUR_WEBSITE>/googlecheckout/responsehandler.php with my own site address, a box pops up and requests sign in details, have tried all the ones I can think of but none will get me any further.

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Send me an email or a PM with the site details and I'll have a look.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

I disagree with moving this great help we are getting to the google checkout post, as i have been reading through that for weeks

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I disagree with your disagreement but still PM me.

Philip.

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

Also, what I heard recently. they are supposed to be hiking the price up quite a bit this year so, anyone using RM should make sure they are ready to change these in a hurry, as it may end up costing you.

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As I've said, I have a little time to do programming for the new prices, and I will get it done, what I do not have is the time to go and look for new price information on the royalmail website. But If someone sends me direct links I will sort out a new moudle before the price change and then no-one will have a problem.

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Originally Posted by philip_clarke

As I've said, I have a little time to do programming for the new prices, and I will get it done, what I do not have is the time to go and look for new price information on the royalmail website. But If someone sends me direct links I will sort out a new moudle before the price change and then no-one will have a problem.

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No worries, just a little bit of work for everyone, and the heads up that it may just be larger than a few pence this time.

I read it on another forum and they were mentioning something like a little over twenty five percent rise on UK postage.

Most of us will be making the changes, so if we copy and paste what we have up here for everyone else, it may make life a little easier.

Also if someone has a friend that works in a post office, they will get the price changes quite a while before hand, I seen the last rise about three weeks before they came out, as the guy that used to run the local post office was busy reading them.

And thanks for the PM

This is what is showing up in google in the error notification

Error parsing XML; message from parser is: Invalid value for attribute value in checkout-shopping-cart/shopping-cart/items/item/item-weight: Must be at least 0.0
Warnings: XML failed to validate against the schema at line: 14, column: 14, with error: cvc-minInclusive-valid: Value '-2.9' is not facet-valid with respect to minInclusive '0.0E1' for type '#AnonType_valueItemWeight'.
XML failed to validate against the schema at line: 14, column: 14, with error: cvc-attribute.3: The value '-2.9' of attribute 'value' on element 'item-weight' is not valid with respect to its type, 'null'.

The problem may just be that I have not set up any flat rate postage, as I am still working out where that goes.

But thanks to your other post I am a lot further forward than I have been for ages with this.

Thanks again

Right, first rule of debugging, ask the obvious.

Do your products in your catalog have weight ?
If you attempt to buy that EXACT shopping cart through another method, does royal mail work ?
Have you set up the percentage weight thing correctly in admin > configuration > shipping/ packaging >Package Tare... (I use 10%:0)

With so many unspecified variables, you try to narrow the search down to a cart that works, so even temporarily putting COD as a payment menthod, may get you to a stage where you can see royalmail working, then you repeat the steps with google.

Philip.

Right, first rule of debugging, ask the obvious.

Do your products in your catalog have weight ? Yes 0.100kg

If you attempt to buy that EXACT shopping cart through another method, does royal mail work ? Yes Turned on paypal and it is working, go to checkout and it is showing 0.100kg

Have you set up the percentage weight thing correctly in admin > configuration > shipping/ packaging >Package Tare... (I use 10%:0)

If that is the handling fee available on each shipping selection, if I put it at ten percent it just makes silly postage costs for 0.100kg goes up to about 12.50 - I tend to just add a flat 1.50 rate

With so many unspecified variables, you try to narrow the search down to a cart that works, so even temporarily putting COD as a payment menthod, may get you to a stage where you can see royalmail working, then you repeat the steps with google.

I have just noticed that if I follow site checkout rather than the google checkout link. that google checkout no longer becomes an option during the select payment, unlike Cash/P,O , Nochex, and paypal, or even bank transfer when turned on.

Also when you mention looking at everything, is it normal that when adding your postage to the item you have to add it as a minus amount, like -2.95 which works out in the cart as 0.100kg

Although it does not seem to interfere with the other payment methods, maybe the fact google checkout works the way it does, that is why it is seeing zero postage?

Also

Philip

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

Have you set up the percentage weight thing correctly in admin > configuration > shipping/ packaging >Package Tare... (I use 10%:0)

If that is the handling fee available on each shipping selection, if I put it at ten percent it just makes silly postage costs for 0.100kg goes up to about 12.50 - I tend to just add a flat 1.50 rate

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No that's not it, it's if you follow the menus in admin it means add 10% weight to your items for the weight of the cardboard or envelope.

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

I have just noticed that if I follow site checkout rather than the google checkout link. that google checkout no longer becomes an option during the select payment, unlike Cash/P,O , Nochex, and paypal, or even bank transfer when turned on.

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Google checkout appears as a button before the main checkout, it's weird but that's the way it does it.

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

Also when you mention looking at everything, is it normal that when adding your postage to the item you have to add it as a minus amount, like -2.95 which works out in the cart as 0.100kg

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run that by me again because that's plain strange.

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Originally Posted by meknownowt

Although it does not seem to interfere with the other payment methods, maybe the fact google checkout works the way it does, that is why it is seeing zero postage?

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That seems like a possibility. Are you saying that your postage subtracts from your totals, or that you have to put it in as a negative to get a positive result ? It really works better if I can see a thing.

Are you also working on an accessible website ? This is not for me, but for google's sake, there is a lot of communication that goes on between google and your shop. where google takes the weight, sends it back, gets a postage rate and then totals it up. "The eating my own words" comment above was when I couldn't get google to work because I was working on a private server and it was only when I looked at the error logs that I noticed google had been trying to talk.

The original
Philip

No that's not it, it's if you follow the menus in admin it means add 10% weight to your items for the weight of the cardboard or envelope.

That just messes up my postage, I have the small packet at 0:3 and the other at 10:0. When I moved it up it just makes silly postage again



Google checkout appears as a button before the main checkout, it's weird but that's the way it does it.

Yeah I was reading through the google wish list pages, and making it easier to use and allowing it to work like a normal checkout seems to be the biggest request.


run that by me again because that's plain strange.

No I think the way it is working is it is going in as pounds and coming out as kg, if that makes sense.
Just took me a while to work it out but once I sorted out the results it never became a problem until trying to use google checkout.

That seems like a possibility. Are you saying that your postage subtracts from your totals, or that you have to put it in as a negative to get a positive result ? It really works better if I can see a thing.

So the way I put it in when adding an item is -2.95 and the postage it comes out with is 0.050kg, or -2.90 comes out as 0.100kg

Never had to worry about going much above 2k or I would have had to fix it.

Are you also working on an accessible website ? This is not for me, but for google's sake, there is a lot of communication that goes on between google and your shop. where google takes the weight, sends it back, gets a postage rate and then totals it up. "The eating my own words" comment above was when I couldn't get google to work because I was working on a private server and it was only when I looked at the error logs that I noticed google had been trying to talk.

I am getting a full page back of what info they are getting back that includes the item and the postage options but not sure if any of it is the sort of info that you should not show as there is a lot of info, and it just keeps going on about line 14, which is

<item-weight unit="LB" value="-2.9" />

Bingo,

it is taking the lb value, so I see a long night ahead after working out how to switch zen to kg changing all the postages

It really does work this looking at it all step by step, when you have a someone to guide you.

Thanks for the help I'll try and change it to kg and see what happens, once I work out how I do that.

cheers

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Philip

I've installed an entirely fresh version of google checkout on a live site tonight to see if I could replicate your problem.

OK. STOP STOP STOP

As I guessed earlier the problem is that you don't have a working set up, and what you have is a "normal" mistake that normally gets picked up a few days into the first UK installation.

Go to that place with the Tare and put 10%:0 please. What you have with 0:3 is you have it adding 3 lbs or kilos to every order for the packaging weight ! that's why you are going backwards in weight. You do not need to change royal mail for kilos etc, somewhere you must have changed the text to Kg's already, so all you have to do is fix the Tare with whatever you feel comfortable with and then re-install royalmail and things should start working correctly. Then google should work.

Oh yes, when correctly installed Google does disappear in the checkout and re-appears as that button, and if you get an error saying wrong country, you've got the google calculated shipping rates set to True, as that's a USA only version.

Trying it now.

Thanks for that

Worked a treat and all is well, it is 3:50 am and I am off to bed after spending the night changing the postage on all the items.

Thanks for all your help again.

Now we just need someone to create a way to make the postage item dependent, so that you can prevent some items being bulked with others. for those of us with some stock in hand and other stock direct from the supplier.

Hint Hint I can still smile at this time in the morning

Thanks again

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Worked a treat and all is well, it is 3:50 am and I am off to bed after spending the night changing the postage on all the items.

Thanks for all your help again.

Now we just need someone to create a way to make the postage item dependent, so that you can prevent some items being bulked with others. for those of us with some stock in hand and other stock direct from the supplier.

Hint Hint I can still smile at this time in the morning

Thanks again

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Glad you got that sorted, that "bug" should be filed under, setting up a shop and making sure kilos is used with the Royal Mail modules from the beginning of an installation. (Have to mention it so that it gets cross-referenced and indexed for the searching).

As for splitting out shipping, I had a look in the downloads, nothing there that was obvious one would be looking for a "multiple warehouse location module". I think that as I gear up for the next postal rates change that I may put the option to increase the postage by a percentage for the handling fee. The theory being that if one in every 4 items is shipped from another location, one adds a handling fee of 20% not a flat rate and that covers it as a business plan.

I also noted that the module has 9910 downloads. Donations should go to [email protected]

After all the messing round with google checkout, it still just keeps using flat rate, which is no use for this site. I hope they sort that out soon.

I am surprised someone has not made a request payment method for google checkout, as looking at google they do not seem to be in any hurry to make the needed changes.

So it would show up as a payment email request in zencart, like a cheque or cash payment, that would also mark the items as sold out the same way

I'm not sure if the postal mod would be able to make all the required changes, as the variety is in the item selection, so if it has no way to mark them apart, it would always struggle.
Unless there was a way it could read the categories, and separate the items, then sellers would just have to make sure that items from different suppliers were placed in the right categories.

I'm off to search for something else on here, that I have never seen, used and new options. Should be fun

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After all the messing round with google checkout, it still just keeps using flat rate, which is no use for this site. I hope they sort that out soon.

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I still think you should let me have a look, last night I did have a problem configuring the test site, and initially it did use a flat rate, but google does work albeit in it's rather strange way.

I actually do think that there is also a need to make a traditional payment module like with paypal, and it should not be any problem because at the end of the day, all you are doing is posting the information "I'm this seller, I want you to bung money for these items with this postage, into my account, when the credit card has cleared". I run the worldpay module too, it's not rocket science. The current google checkout is a tremendous piece of programming, in that it goes to google, and then google talks back to the zen-cart shop and pulls through the postage, but that's if there are no server time outs, if the google request is not blocked by firewalls or configuration errors, but the current complexity of the google module really is not "necessary".

The current google checkout method is like going to a supermarket and not going to the till, instead you go to a guy with a walkie talkie who weighs your frozen fish, talks to the cashier who totals it up, and then the walkie talkie guy takes your payment when you are standing at the fish counter. It's not any more "secure" as the walkie talkie guy is still using the same creidt card processor as the cashier, and there's always the possibility that the radio runs out of batteries and then the guy then has a really good guess at the total"end sarcasm", when there's still a perfectly good cashier going down the aisle, but you've started talking to the walkie talkie guy so you're not allowed to visit the till.

An exceptionally complex metaphor, but pretty analogous to the current module.

Spot on with the Analogy.

But the problem I have with it is that, I assume most people are like me and are finding time limited at the moment, so spending so much time trying to work out a way to pay someone else money, by using a system they don't seem to want to make easier to use or to work the way their customers want it to work just seems stupid.

I may try again at a later date but at this time I have more pressing things to get on with, especially as I have other options to use as payment methods.

I'm just happy the RM mod is working the way I want it.

Thanks again for that.

I just reread my last message and it sounds, as if I could be talking about the postage MOD supplied by philip_clarke, but I think I must add that my frustration was with google checkout not the great RM mod, that I would be struggling with out.

Just thought I would clear that up.

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As I've said, I have a little time to do programming for the new prices, and I will get it done, what I do not have is the time to go and look for new price information on the royalmail website. But If someone sends me direct links I will sort out a new moudle before the price change and then no-one will have a problem

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Hello Philip ,

As far as the updated prices go I have no problem Updating all the prices come April .. Truth is I have to anyway as all our customers use the add on .. so once I add them I will upload the update same as last year or send it to you

Nice to see you back and trying to get the mod to work with Google Checkout .. Is this working now ?

I can see there has been a few issues . I was working on this a bit on my site but not working as of yet

Thanks

Robert

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Hello Philip ,

As far as the updated prices go I have no problem Updating all the prices come April .. Truth is I have to anyway as all our customers use the add on .. so once I add them I will upload the update same as last year or send it to you

Nice to see you back and trying to get the mod to work with Google Checkout .. Is this working now ?

I can see there has been a few issues . I was working on this a bit on my site but not working as of yet

Thanks

Robert

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Hello,

RE: Google checkout, yes it works perfectly with the royal mail modules, but it is "different" to the normal checkout system. The instructions were also lacking in details for the UK but they have been written (by me) fully above. The main issues are that some people (and not just on this thread) don't feel comfortable with the google way of checking out.

RE: The modules, I have two things to say really, firstly, the entire 17 modules need rewriting for zencart version 2.0 which is going to be a lot of work. Also I am shocked and quite bitter that after 9000+ downloads, I have never received a donation.

Philip

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RE: Google checkout, yes it works perfectly with the royal mail modules, but it is "different" to the normal checkout system. The instructions were also lacking in details for the UK but they have been written (by me) fully above. The main issues are that some people (and not just on this thread) don't feel comfortable with the google way of checking out.

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I am not the biggest fan of the whole way google went about google checkout .. My bigest complanit is the SSL needed for checkout to intagrate . Thanks for the help though

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firstly, the entire 17 modules need rewriting for zencart version 2.0 which is going to be a lot of work

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I agree but I will not be using any future versions of zencart . But if you need a hand I will be glad to help where I can

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Also I am shocked and quite bitter that after 9000+ downloads, I have never received a donation.

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well truth be known when I downloaded it . It looked like the author was Chuck Redman and the add-on was just left . I do agree you should be reimbursed for your hard work so I shall sort something out from me can't speak for everyone else though . It is a great mod

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I agree but I will not be using any future versions of zencart . But if you need a hand I will be glad to help where I can

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Out of curiosity, what are you switching to then ?

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Hello,

RE: Google checkout, yes it works perfectly with the royal mail modules, but it is "different" to the normal checkout system. The instructions were also lacking in details for the UK but they have been written (by me) fully above. The main issues are that some people (and not just on this thread) don't feel comfortable with the google way of checking out.

RE: The modules, I have two things to say really, firstly, the entire 17 modules need rewriting for zencart version 2.0 which is going to be a lot of work. Also I am shocked and quite bitter that after 9000+ downloads, I have never received a donation.

Philip

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I know you feel miffed about not making much from this Mod, but as far as I know this has been out for around a year, and over the last year a lot of people have been struggling not just with their website, but also trying to keep themselves afloat, as over the last year things have got a lot harder for most people.

A lot of them have floated over from ebay, after ebay basically cut them off without a pot to use, I would not judge your Mod or the people using it at the moment.

And I know some will say it would take nothing, but unlike last year where most were planning a year or more ahead, this year a lot of them are having to look at their income on a month to month basis, and any extra if there is any is going toward next month in a hope just to survive.

Just hope that offers another perspective, and allows you to see that I'm sure most still hope you have the heart to make the changes needed for 2.0 but would also totally understand if your own overheads made that impossible.

Depends on either me finding a good enough reason to convert this to 2.0 or zen-cart offering something, or the lead team member "Wilt" (I thought it was DrByte), who is English doing it himself. http://www.zen-cart.com/index.php?ma...ges&pages_id=9 Ian C Wilson, lives in Newcastle-upon-tyne. He could concert the whole lot as an "example" of version 2.0 shipping modules for all I know.

Philip.

Hi there all,

I need to find a way of converting this module to be in gramms rather than KGs.

For instance, all products sold are weighed in Gramms, so it can be say .50 of a gramm or 1.5 gramms, the cart is doing that aok (basically working), but when it gets to checkout_shipping it is taking the total sum of cart weight to be KILOS rather than KILOGRAMMS... Any thoughts of a simple workaround, I thought where it gets cart weight total value just divide by a 1000, but cant seem to find it :(

Second question, and I think someone asked this above, special delivery from recollection goes to a max of £5k insured (could be 10k), I need to work out a way that if total cart price exceeds that amount, then we need to actually set delivery containers to more than 1, for instance >

Cart is under 5K = 1 charge for delivery
Cart is under 10K but over 5K = 2 charges
Cart is under 15K but over 10K = 3 charges
You see the general idea.

Any thoughts, I dont mind paying someone beer money if it helps.

Thanks

a) You should have kept it in Kg as it means more work. It may be possible to fix this by multiplying everything at somewhere near te final checkout.
b) I thought it was only £500 for special delivery
c) I will look at it this evening.