Re: Image Handler 4 Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
Golden Synergy
I am having the same problem. :blink: Could someone give me the path to the adim.comfigure.php and what was altered.
You don't say what your "same problem" is.. If it was the same issue that ndg_uk had, I'm gonna say this again..
IH4's install does NOT touch the store side or admin side configure.php files.. If your issue is related to issues with the configure.php file it's a Zen Cart setup issue and NOT related specifically to IH4..
Therefore if you have issues related to the configure.php files, you need to post your question elsewhere in the forum to get support on correcting the 2 configure.php files. (located in the includes folder in the shop and admin)
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
niccol
@Melanie
Just my thoughts:
Delete of installer:
traditionally, IH has had an installer. It ran on a function that was triggered by the 'install' button. That function stayed in place after it ran. This is just the same. The installer functions stay in place but they are just not actioned. I am not sure that I completely understand your argument against this. Many modules on many platforms do not delete there install functions.
BAK files
Yes, this is going to be changed.
I think that there is a bit of a misunderstanding between you and Diva about this. There are BAK files in the original upload package. They are basically files that are going to be moved during the install or uninstall and are uploaded as BAK files. If those files are deleted prior to upload then the installer will not run as it checks that the files are uploaded correctly before continuing. There are also BAK files that are created when a file is overwritten. If you delete these then you should have no problems.
In general, the BAK suffix was a mistake and will be changed.
Actually, the file checking part of the installer is a part that I would be most reluctant to see removed. So many 'errors' are created by files be uploaded incorrectly that a quick check of this before install is finalised seems like a good idea.
Complication
Well, i think that you are just wrong here. The install procedure is to log in to zen admin, change the name of admin in the package, upload the files, refresh a page in admin. Takes me under a minute. But that is just my opinion.
Backing up Template files
Well, I know what you mean. But the idea is not that the file merging should not happen. Evidently the file merging needs to happen. The concept is more that part of the install should have a backup involved. So, for instance, if someone hadn't done the file merging there would still be a record of their previous file state. I can't honestly see why backing up a file is a problem.
File Handling in General.
Well, yes there is a different ballgame when you start moving files on the server. There are arguments for and against here. I understand that you are strongly on one side of that. Again, the support threads show that most errors are created by people putting files in the wrong places. The file handling does two things:
-- creates backup versions of overwritten files
-- puts the template files in the right place
Is your argument against either or both of these or just the concept of doing this programatically rather than manually?
Delete of installer: I would be satisfied if the manual installer worked. I actually have tested it several times since this original post and it just does not work. I had to create a mime for the bak files, use the installer, back out the changes and merge the files by hand after the installer ran. Then delete install directories and bak files and remove mime type.
I can appreciate that you are trying to make it easier... But different hosted environments, users, configurations and such being as Zen Cart has always been, a manual installation is really necessary IMO.
The whole point of Zen Cart has always been the customization.
I also believe that users presented with a "super easy" install will likely change other customizations unknowingly. A user who doesn't know what modules/customizations are integrated in the affected files should likely not be doing the install.
I have no issue with the files being backed up at all, as long as they are secure.
The database installer in the old IH was significantly different than what IH4 does. No comparison really.
Re: Image Handler 4 Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
ndg_uk
Found it in the admin configure.php file
All working fine
Thanks for your help
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Originally Posted by
DivaVocals
You don't say what your "same problem" is.. If it was the same issue that ndg_uk had, I'm gonna say this again..
IH4's install does NOT touch the store side or admin side configure.php files.. If your issue is related to issues with the configure.php file it's a Zen Cart setup issue and NOT related specifically to IH4..
Therefore if you have issues related to the configure.php files, you need to post your question elsewhere in the forum to get support on correcting the 2 configure.php files. (located in the includes folder in the shop and admin)
Thank you. I do not know what fourum it SHOULD be posted in, but since this problem is happening with IH4. I thought I should look in the IH4 area. and I found someone with my same problem here.. So I was asking If I could get ndg_uk to give me help on what file it was and what he did to fix it. I am not laying blame on any one. I just want to get it fixed
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Re: Image Handler 4 Support Thread
Understood, nevertheless, an incorrectly configured configure.php file will manifest in other places beside IH4 since Zen Cart uses the data in that file to determine image paths, etc..
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Originally Posted by
Golden Synergy
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Thank you. I do not know what fourum it SHOULD be posted in, but since this problem is happening with IH4. I thought I should look in the IH4 area. and I found someone with my same problem here.. So I was asking If I could get ndg_uk to give me help on what file it was and what he did to fix it. I am not laying blame on any one. I just want to get it fixed
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Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
mprough
Delete of installer: I would be satisfied if the manual installer worked. I actually have tested it several times since this original post and it just does not work. I had to create a mime for the bak files, use the installer, back out the changes and merge the files by hand after the installer ran. Then delete install directories and bak files and remove mime type.
I can appreciate that you are trying to make it easier... But different hosted environments, users, configurations and such being as Zen Cart has always been, a manual installation is really necessary IMO.
The whole point of Zen Cart has always been the customization.
As I have stated in previous posts, we have already corrected the code for the next release so that the .BAK files are named differently. This should resolve issues the use of .BAK files will create for some hosting environments. It was a pretty simple change to make.. There is no immediate plan to delete the auto-installer..
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Originally Posted by
mprough
I also believe that users presented with a "super easy" install will likely change other customizations unknowingly. A user who doesn't know what modules/customizations are integrated in the affected files should likely not be doing the install.
This holds true even for add-ons which must be manually installed.. There are shopowners who over write modifications made by other add-ons ALL THE TIME because they do not know to merge the changes into files. NOTHING about installing IH4 changes those rules.. If you want to merge other changes into these files BEFORE the install, then you should do just that. For shopowners who have made no changes they do not need to do any file merges. The readme in the next release makes that even clearer than the current readme.. There are only THREE modified core files required by IH4 that MAY be affected by other add-ons (usually lightbox add-ons). This is NO different than previous versions of IH so I don't think this is as big of an issue as you would appear to be implying that it is.
Bottomline is regardless of the add-on, shopowners need to READ THE README before installing ANY add-on and not assume that everything is the same.. That said we have made some improvements with the readme that will be included in the updated version to be submitted soon.
For the record, this is NOT the only add-on available which makes use an auto installer.
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Originally Posted by
mprough
I have no issue with the files being backed up at all, as long as they are secure.
And as long as your store is secure so are the backup files
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Originally Posted by
mprough
The database installer in the old IH was significantly different than what IH4 does. No comparison really.
Sorry I must disagree, this is not a true statement. There were only TWO changes to Image Handler installer.
- There is now a file which automatically executes the install. After executing the install, this file self deletes itself so that the install file is not executed again. The entire process is the equivalent of the old Image Handler install. In that processes you open the Image Handler admin and click on the "Install Image Handler" link. (BTW, the install file was left in place afterwards in the "old" install method)
- The current installer makes an attempt to clean up outdated image configuration settings. Previous versions of Image Handler required the store admin to remember to run the uninstall of the version they were upgrading from BEFORE upgrading (most did not and this caused a unique set of issues)
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
@melanie
Just regarding the database actions ( and ignoring any discussion about file handling for the time being) the old installer:
1. made a number of changes to the configuration table
The new installer
1. makes a number of changes to the configuration table
2. makes a change to the admin_pages table
3. deletes the unused entries in the configuration table
Really the only significant difference is number 2. (Point 3 is just house-keeping) This is part of the changes that Zen 1.5 introduced. Without that new record the tools>>imagehandler menu item will not be visible. So, even if we reverted to the previous installer there would be an sql statement that needed to be run before one was able to see the 'install' button on the tools>>imagehandler page.
It seems sensible to run this sql statement programatically so that the tools>>imagehandler page is visible to people immediately after install. This has been discussed in multiple threads .
Once you are running a sql statement programatically it seems sensible to include all the other sql statements in that process as it
takes one step out of the installation process without adding any further complications.
Of course, an alternative solution would be:
1. Upload the files
2. Run an sql statement (through admin or directly on the database) to make the admin page visible by adding a record to admin_pages
3. Click on the install button on the admin page to action the other database changes.
But that does seem more complicated to me. It certainly adds a step of complication, that of running a sql statement manually, that IH has previously avoided.
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
niccol
@melanie
Just regarding the database actions ( and ignoring any discussion about file handling for the time being) the old installer:
1. made a number of changes to the configuration table
The new installer
1. makes a number of changes to the configuration table
2. makes a change to the admin_pages table
3. deletes the unused entries in the configuration table
Really the only significant difference is number 2. (Point 3 is just house-keeping) This is part of the changes that Zen 1.5 introduced. Without that new record the tools>>imagehandler menu item will not be visible. So, even if we reverted to the previous installer there would be an sql statement that needed to be run before one was able to see the 'install' button on the tools>>imagehandler page.
It seems sensible to run this sql statement programatically so that the tools>>imagehandler page is visible to people immediately after install. This has been discussed in multiple threads .
The current auto-install process removed the need for running a manual SQL statement, and niccol is absolutely right. there was a LONG discussion discussing doing just this in the v1.5 conversion thread. This discussion involved MANY knowledgeable Zen Cart gurus who endorsed the use of this method..
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Originally Posted by
niccol
Once you are running a sql statement programatically it seems sensible to include all the other sql statements in that process as it
takes one step out of the installation process without adding any further complications.
Exactly!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
niccol
Of course, an alternative solution would be:
1. Upload the files
2. Run an sql statement (through admin or directly on the database) to make the admin page visible by adding a record to admin_pages
3. Click on the install button on the admin page to action the other database changes.
But that does seem more complicated to me. It certainly adds a step of complication, that of running a sql statement manually, that IH has previously avoided.
I agree:yes: And this is EXACTLY the road IH4 started down until an angel lent us a helping hand.. :smile:
The current auto-installer retains the same ONE STEP no-fuss install process that have been a historical part of the Image Handler process. The difference is that steps were taken to IMPROVE the prior one-step process. The upcoming update will see corrections/improvements in both the readme and the IH4 codebase. (none of which involve removing the auto-installer functionality)
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
Thanks for a great add-on, worked almost perfectly, but I fear my 1 small issue is me being stupid or dumb. i have recently taken over a store for someone who was having issues:
http://alsemergencylighting.com/store/ is the temp and practice store.
Fual Slimbox is working but it isn't working, I have merged the files, i think. However the additional images in the Installation section (only place needed, right now). The problem I am facing is when you click the main image there isn't a "next" or "previous" to scroll through the images........
Other than this a fantastic Mod!
PS to the 2 going back and forth about what is right or wrong you have cluttered this thread.
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
uswebworx
Thanks for a great add-on, worked almost perfectly, but I fear my 1 small issue is me being stupid or dumb. i have recently taken over a store for someone who was having issues:
http://alsemergencylighting.com/store/ is the temp and practice store.
Fual Slimbox is working but it isn't working, I have merged the files, i think. However the additional images in the Installation section (only place needed, right now). The problem I am facing is when you click the main image there isn't a "next" or "previous" to scroll through the images........
Other than this a fantastic Mod!
Unfortunately that is an issue with Fual Slimbox. I know from being subscribed to the Fual Slimbox thread that it's a known issue and there is no solution.. You might wanna pop over there and post your cry for help or my suggestion is to use Zen Lightbox instead..
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Originally Posted by
uswebworx
PS to the 2 going back and forth about what is right or wrong you have cluttered this thread.
I agree that this whole "right/wrong" discussion should probably have been started and taken offline.. and my apologies for contributing to the clutter. However in my defense (and niccol's defense too), I do feel that it's appropriate to address inaccuracies since others do read this thread and follow what's posted here.. It'll blow over soon I hope.. :smile:
Re: Image Handler 4 (for v1.5.x) Support Thread
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Originally Posted by
DivaVocals
Unfortunately that is an issue with Fual Slimbox. I know from being subscribed to the Fual Slimbox thread that it's a known issue and there is no solution.. You might wanna pop over there and post your cry for help or my suggestion is to use Zen Lightbox instead..
I agree that this whole "right/wrong" discussion should probably have been started and taken offline.. and my apologies for contributing to the clutter. However in my defense (and niccol's defense too), I do feel that it's appropriate to address inaccuracies since others do read this thread and follow what's posted here.. It'll blow over soon I hope.. :smile:
I just moved to ZenLightbox and am now 100000000% happy with IH4! Thanks for the help and suggestion above, I am usually a lurker here or a Godaddy brasher, I should had kept searching instead of posting:clap:!
