Hi,
In the new Zancart page where ist the downlod section for contributions
Gusuval
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Hi,
In the new Zancart page where ist the downlod section for contributions
Gusuval
They are being working on it.
In the meantime you can download Zen-Cart on Sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=171544
Don't mean to be a pain but was there a reason the old contributions download pages could not have been maintained (even on a seperate temporary URL) while the new downloads pages were being developed - seems standard practice to me....
Yes, there is a reason - it is called an sql injection attack - the old database was vulnerable and so we did not want to leave it open.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwmbox
I'm sure they are doing what is best. So yes, there is a reason. :)
I'm not convinced that there aren't other options that could be done to provide downloads. Zen Cart is a widely used product which in turn needs excellent support. Using a database to allow downloads isn’t the only option either. Anyone could take the files and place them into a folder and create a temp page without a database and use straight download links. At least this would resolve the immediate problem rather then leaving the entire community in the dark with no real time scale on when the problem will be resolved. As I said I’m not convinced and I think there are other options that could be looked at. At least for the sake of credibility, and professionalism.
what is it your looking for I might be able to point you to where it might be
but being rude will get you nowhere...
and credibility and professionalisim
talk to the freakin script kiddies that think its fun to screw peoples sites up
and entire computers up....
also how about the team makes sure of the integrity of the files before they just create a downloads site...... hey now it would be real professional to let people download files that ( I have no idea this is just a statement ) might have been comprimised.......
Out of order!
A question is one thing; whining after being given a decent response is another.
You seem to forget that this is all done for free. What do you consider has been your positive contribution to the community?
I don't think my post was being rude but expressing what a lot of other unspoken people are feeling. It's not personal its business. And as everyone knows businesses need to make money and when your product isn't supported correctly or isn't working properly money gets lots and tensions get high.
I have know doubt the zen cart developers are working hard at fixing the problem but I also think that there are other options out there that could be explored to ensure that the communities integrity and cohesion is intact.
Rather then just saying here is the problem deal with it lets figure a way to make what we currently have work. I would be willing to setup a nuke site with a downloads section allowing members to upload there own files for a short term fix.
And to answer you comment about what I have done to contribute. I have donated several times in the past with various accounts. In most cases when I use zen cart I try to give back.
just give it a little bit
its not quite as simple as you think....
when you go to your nuke site and set up the downloads section how long do you think it would take you to setup the downloads.,
create the categories, add them make sure they work.
so rather than have you start a really big project hows about letting these guys finish the one they have started... there were ALOT of downloads to have to resetup
I could have it up in about 1 hour. Make one category and place all the downloads in that category. There is a search function so people could use that rather then making a bunch of sub catagories.
OK - although you have to be very careful ( we all do) in speaking for the majority because in reality, all this computer stuff is very insular, and unless people DO actually voice their opinions, we really don't know what they think.
However, the important thing here is Merlin's last paragraph...As you say Zencart has a massive userbase... we should just be grateful that the team DO take their obligations (real or perceived) seriously, and let's face it, they are going to be pretty cautious after a hack attack that could possibly have caused far greater damage than it did.Quote:
also how about the team makes sure of the integrity of the files before they just create a downloads site...... hey now it would be real professional to let people download files that ( I have no idea this is just a statement ) might have been comprimised.
I understand completly what your saying, BUT I also think that we can at least explore other options for the short term. Because when all is said and done we dont really know when the downloads will be fixed.
Im sure many community memeber have past downloads that could be provided on a temporary scale. Lets work together and help eachother here.
Wouldnt workQuote:
Originally Posted by cloakendagger
there are 1.1 1.2 and 1.3 versions of some of these...
they would need to be seperated
but either way Im gonna head outta here this is going nowhere.,
the downloads section will be done when the devs are happy with it and are sure it works right and is secure
It might be easy for you to just check out of the problem, but for me I have some serious issues that need to be solved and I need the downloads section. So dismissing this issue because it hits close to home or saying its too hard of a project to deal with doesn’t help me or anyone else that needs downloads.
To answer your question about the 3 version why not create 3 categories.
Which is EXACTLY what has been happening when people ask for the download they need!Quote:
Originally Posted by cloakendagger
All you need to do is say what you want - if someone has it, it can be posted as an attachment.
We can explore other options. We have explored other options. And in the spirit of this community members have adopted a variety of mutial aid strategies so that the Dev Team an concentrate on a permanent rather than temporary solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by cloakendagger
Specifically we have been emailing mods on requets when we have them, adding links to our sigs to make them easier to find, hosting them externally and helping to point people in the right directon if we don't have the mod ourselves. Merlin even offered to help you a few posts back, though I doubt he'll be feeling as generous now.
I suggest you stop attacking the Dev Team and do a search for any mods you need urgently.
I asked earlier for what mods you need
Ok, so you guys all have very valid points and I'm not trying to start a war here. I'm simply trying to get some results with finding a better way for people on the larger scale to get the downloads they need quickly. Granted the "post a request" has worked for some on and indivdual scale, but in my case I have posted a few time with no replies.
I have setup a download site at the link below. Simply register a user or use this account to add downloads. I think it might actualy work really well if we can ban together on this one. This might actualy take the pressure off the dev team in the short term and allow them the neccissary time to get the work done right rather then rushed.
***edited***
Just trying to help out here. ;)
***Please do not start additional downloads areas- ***
Hey - imagine this scenario:
The downloads section can be restored within a few minutes and all files made available a few minutes later. (Yes it is true - this could happen)
Then along comes Billy No Brains Hacker and finds the file in which he inserted an exploit which allows him to compromise the server again. Oops - sorry everyone, Zencart.com is offline again and you have to start over. How jolly.
Or imagine this:
Dev team dumps everything back online and don't bother sorting the files. People complain incessantly about this fix and this mod not working with their version of Zencart. Suddenly the Dev team are to blame and the reputation of Zencart suffers.
Both these scenarois are realistic and COULD happen if the Dev team did not care about their project. Luckily they do care and probably are even now poring over the code to get the downloads up and running again.
Be patient and stop complaining, or get your hand in your pocket and pay for a Dev team member to take a day off work (yes they actually have regular jobs too) so they can concentrate on giving you what you want. No? Didn't think so!
(These are my views and not the views of the Dev Team)
Those scenarios are very true but aside from the main point here. What I’m trying to do is create a temporary community based resolution for the problem. As I said in the previous post lets just work together here. Your views are important but ripping me for having a point and an attached solution isn't going to help us here.
Let’s put aside the remarks and clever comments and really nail this one down. Here is the info for the temp download site. Please add any download you think will help the community. I have allotted 15000 gigs of bandwidth for this site.
turn your PMs on quick
There on now
Not sure why you guys want to shoot this down but taking my links out just don't help anyone.
Thanks for the mods Mer.
http://www.zen-cart.com/archived_contributions
WE, THE ZEN CART TEAM TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE FILES POSTED IN THE ARCHIVE LISTED ABOVE.
THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE VERSIONS - DON'T ASK US WHICH IS WHICH - WE HAVE NO IDEA.
BUT- YOU WANTED THEM- HAVE AT THEM.
Thank you very very very very much!!!!! Ill take my site down right now.
Note there is a proper Contributions section being worked on and it will be ready very soon- IT will be empty.
We are going to need you to update/upgrade your Contribs and get them back online.
Fantastic! That's excellent! Thank you so much dev team for the temporary fix, thank you cloakendagger for initiating it.
And good that you've made it very clear that we take sole responsibility for anything that should happen as a result of downloading from the archived contributions. I hope this takes some of the pressure off the developers - I imagine you've got enough on your plate at the moment.<offtoplayzen />
Not to burst any bubbles but the temp downloads were made long before cloakendagger ... they were being cleaned ... :blink:
Then thank you to cloakendagger for helping expedite the process.
erm I think cloakanddagger was very rude actually and deserves no thanks. He was twice asked for the contributions he/she needed and ignored the polite request both times. It just seemed that he/she wanted to play with whatever is there and had no real needs.
All the thanks should go to Ajeh and Kim and the rest of the dev team and not to someone who was trying to bully someone into action.
Sorry but this is just the way I see it.
Although Cloakendagger's actions, both visible in this thread and elsewhere, suggest that he was committed to trying to be part of a solution, I agree that in this thread that was expressed in an inappropriately and unnecessarily hostile manner, even to those trying to help. I also agree that all thanks should be directed to the Dev Team who were clearly already working on this already, and continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reesy
Not totally sure how to respond to the above comments about my efforts to gain a solution to the problem. But taking jabs at me after the fact is kind of cheep. You all look at this as a personal attack but in actuality it's just business. Some might have been happy waiting for the actual downloads section to be cleaned and made public, but for me, a developer that has many clients and a lot of money riding on the functionality and structural integrity of Zen Cart its immensely important that results happen relatively quickly.
When I saw people responding with comments like "I'm sure they are doing what is best. So yes, there is a reason. :)"
That didn't show me that anything was being done to accommodate the in actuality large scale need for a temp fix.
I highly doubt that being passive about this issue would have gained any response or immediate solution.
To the many that believe I was rude I truly apologize for how you feel. But in the end there was a solution brought forth regardless of what angle you look at it.
Giving credit is necessary, but it should be given to everyone here that posted and everyone that participates in the zen community that shows there desire to see a better future for zen cart the dev team and the overall success of everyone endevors.
This will be my last post.
I would like to ask two questions:
1) Anyone has a ftp space where we could upload the contributions we have downloads?, then we could use a entry page and point all our webpages to it to make it grow.
2) I've heard Zen cart is a child of OS commerce. I am some experienced in Zen Cart so: would be easy for me to change to OSC?, I mean, all what I have learned in ZC: is the same in OSC?. What are the pros and the disadvantages of this action?.
P.D.: I need an stable alternative to this if not a solution.
Anyway: Thanks for all to the Zen Cart Developpers, hope I do not have to change.
Please look up at kims post,
the old contributions are available the link is posted above in this thread...
What's this? Merlinpa1969 banned?
Nope - he withdrew...but the vast majority of people here would like him to reconsider and return; his help and support has been invaluable to many Zencart usrs, myself included.
Tony - the whole is bigger than the parts around here...and people do care.
Totally agree RykQuote:
the vast majority of people here would like him to reconsider and return; his help and support has been invaluable to many Zencart usrs, myself included.
Tony - the whole is bigger than the parts around here...and people do care.
Tony - please come back - we need you! You probably don't realise just how often your contributions have been useful to those in the community who couldn't do this Zen thing alone!
Personally when reading throught the forums I know I can rely upon your posts to give accurate information - it has proved invaluable on several occasions.
Bryony
You guys:
Stop fighting - it's not useful.:bangin:
I am not shure. A lot of people depend om zen-cart. If the team however good they are at their jobs take the site down, change the design and put in to production a site withoute something as important as the files, they must be able to handle som feedback. How this is written can be discussed, but all in all I agree with cloakanddagger, the team should create a tmp dir for the files at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reesy
I think the results from this wil be a lot of "stray" repositories on the net so thisw dont happen again. I save all of my files for later use so I dod not get in trouble now, but I understand the frustration.
Regards
Cakemaker
Excuse me, but we didn't take the old site down voluntarily without notice. The old forum software was hit with an SQL injection attack. Rather than put the old very buggy, very insecure software back up, we moved to the new software even though we were not quite ready to do so. Having some patience would be very helpful.
OK, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I know you do your best and I absolutly love what you do. I am patient, I just tried to make a point to support cloakanddaggers point. The way cloakanddaggers posts were formed are not the point, the files, forum and faq must work. If we are to be the best we need to act like the best. If the base for ZC (www.zen-cart.com) don't work this just results in a los of users for "The art of e-commerse". I love this product.
I know how hard it is to get this kind of critics, dont take it in a bad way. This is just ment as a constuctive comment. You probably have done this thinking allready. :)
rather than continuing with this discussion how about you just look up...
ahha a link to the downloads section.
while cloak did have a good point so did the others,
We all know aboute the link to the tmp download section. This discussion for me is now a plase to post my conserne for how this do not happens again.
Why not form a lynch mob and go out and find the people responsible for authoring the scripts that caused the sql injection. What's done is done. Lets move on. flogging a dead horse doesn't help anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by cakemaker
I agree....Quote:
Originally Posted by clydejones
I would like to be a member of that lynch mob.
But the fact is that an sql injection only is posible if there is a falty code ore a missing OS or APP patch??? Is this right ore am I wrong?
Invasion Power Board,
need we say more
Folks,
We are quite aware of the need for:
- access to old contributions
- a place to upload new contributions
- access to the new contributions
- the ability to identify contributions based on what version of Zen Cart they are designed for
- even the ability to support multiple versions of a certain contribution.
We're working agressively to complete this system, and will activate it very shortly.
Your continued patience will be greatly appreciated. We like to sleep too......
Hello,
Appreciate all that has been said above - just wondering if there is an estimated time/date for the contribution area to be back up ?
I need the affiliate / links / quick price mods as soon as possible.
Cheers.
well this is to funny,
you wish was granted a few days ago
you past the link to it to get here to post...
http://www.zen-cart.com/archived_contributions
Thanx for pointing me in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresanyway
I had googled straight in at the end of the topic to where it says:
---------------
Folks,
We are quite aware of the need for:
- access to old contributions
- a place to upload new contributions
- access to the new contributions
- the ability to identify contributions based on what version of Zen Cart they are designed for
- even the ability to support multiple versions of a certain contribution.
We're working agressively to complete this system, and will activate it very shortly.
Your continued patience will be greatly appreciated. We like to sleep too......
---------------
Hurrah! Great to have it back - however, a couple of questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrByte
At what point do we define a version of Zen Cart as "obsolete", and hence don't want to clutter the downloads section? For example, sales report is for v1.2.2
Secondly, is a download for that version and that version only? In the backup plugin description, DrByte has remembered to note that it's "Compatible with Zen Cart v1.2.x and v1.3.x", however, it might be an idea to have a second dropdown with the known versions of Zen Cart, and a choice of "+" and "x" as well. So you would have "compatible with 1.2.0 - 1.2.5". Just a thought, not a complaint!
Was also wondering if the forum and downloads databases could be synched so that people don't have to maintain 2 logins for different parts of the site?
Sales Report runs fine on 1.3x.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelvyn
Yes it would be cool if downloads area login was synched to the main forum. But maybe the ZC Devs want to confirm uploaders email address and IP? This may help with mod QC.
Agree that additional description fields are needed for each individual mod/contribution. Various such data fields have been recommended previously. As stated a list of the ZC versions the specific mod version supports is most important. Would be good to see a field with a link to the 'official' forum support thread and a PM link to current mod author/maintainer. More clear labeling of version number (assume this is the mod revision number applied by the author/developer of mod) is desired. In the mod description/history would be good to know if the mod was a direct port of OSC mod or a new mod developed for ZC. Also a bit of mod revision history (version, date, ZC versions supported, whom updated code/maintaner for that version, etc.).
Would be cool if a standard 'readme" template could be posted so devs could use as a guideline listing the minimum info that should be provided in the mods accompanying readme.txt. A readme should be required for uploading to download section.
I must be dreaming ;-)
Woody
Yes, good points too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodymon
Also, only a few mods (mainly Tim and Langers) provide uninstalls, but even if mods don't provide uninstall routines as a "one click" option, I think the SQL and instructions to "clean up" should be provided with the mod!
http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/faq.ph...faq_philosophy
FAQ section -
Thanks for the pointer to the FAQ Kime. I'm uncertain how this directly relates to the recemmendations made in the last few posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
So I must be still dreaming ;-)
Woody
Great to dream. Care to come up with one and contribute it? :wink2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodymon