Attributes HOW-TO

Ok, I am sorry that I am posting another thread here! I feel like such a pain.

Ok, well I can't wrap my head around the attributes option. I did read "attributes instructions" in another thread but I didn't quite follow or at least when I tried it, it didnt work.

Now I have several items that have different options such as, size, frangrance, colour.. etc but for now I am working on the items that have sizes. (they are all the same price)

I went to catalog/product attributes and entered "size" in the en: field, left the option type at 'select' and inserted.
Then I went to the lower bar and added Small, Medium, Large, X-large all in one line. Went to attributes controller and was able to assign the product to the attributes but when I previewed, only a radio button with the option Small, Medium, Large, X-large in one line showed up. So I tried again with inserting the sizes seperately under different ID's and that didn't work either. I had an error that said attributes didnt match... or something.

:unsure:

Halp! lol

Irina

Does anyone know of a tutorial or more clear instructions on this?

There are a number of threads on this but let me see if I can break it down for you.

There are 3 parts to attributes:

Option Name
Option Value
Attribute on the product

Defining Option Names:
Catalog ... Option Name Manager

Example:

Color

Order (This is the sort order the Option Name displays on the screen)

Select an Option Type:
Dropdown (note when only 1 option value this will automatically be switched to a Radio Button and later when more than one value it will automatically switch to the dropdown)

Radio Button

Checkbox

TEXT (this does not get an Option Value)

FILE (This does not get an Option Value)

READONLY (this is for display purposes only and is not part of a calculation nor does it appear on the order. It is more or less an informational attribute that can be used with 1 to many products and then changed once to change on all products)

On some Option Names, based on the Type ... there are more settings if you Edit the Option Name

For Option Type TEXT:

Comments
Max Display Size (size of input box on screen)
Max Length (max number of characters/spaces)

For Option Type Radio buttons and checkboxes:
There are choices of image layout

Defining Option Values

Catalog ... Option Value Manager

Pick the Option Name
Give a Name like Red
Give a default Sort Order

The sort order is used if you want to globably sort your Option Values to match otherwise you can set these manually per product or later update a product, category or whole store.

Attributes Controller

Note: if you plan on using downloads, be sure you have configured your Attribute Settings

I recommend:

Set Redirect on
chmod /pub to 777
files are uploaded to /downloads
files should be zipped and not use spaces and special characters nor extra periods
set the max downloads
set the max number days to get the download

And after a commercial break ... there will be defining the attributes per product ... B)

Now ... you should have made several Option Names like ...

Color
Size
etc.

And then set the Option Values for these like:
Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Purple
Brown
Black
White

Small
Medium
Large
X-Large
X-Small

Using the Default Sort Order on these values will help you later in getting them into a nice display on the pages.

So now to add them to the products.

This is done via the Attributes Controller

You can look up a product in a couple ways ...

Either pick a Category or a Product

When you pick a category, the ones with a * have products in them and this will display the first product Previous/Next

When you pick a product hit display ... this sets the category to this products master category id ... so you can now use the Previous/Next if you like

Once the Product is displayed that you want to add attributes to ... go to the Add Attributes box

The Product Name should already be selected

Now select the Option Name

Next select a matching Option Value, notice they say what kind of Option Type you have selected

You will notice the Option Values say their names and next to them the Option Name that they match to.

Depending on what you want to do with attributes there are several methods to price, add weight, sort order, and mark the type of attribute this is.

Price can be entered with a prefix of + or - or blank

+ and blank will add the attribute price
- will subtract the attribute price

Weight can be entered optionally if it effects the product weight with a prefix of + or - or blank

+ and blank will add the attribute weight
- will subtract the attribute weight

There are other pricing options also available besides the standard prices.

One Time Charge
Price Factor
One Time Charge Price Factor
Attirbute Qty Price
One Time Attribute Qty Price

For TEXT
Price per word and free words
Price per letter and free letters

Then there are the Attrinbute Flags in the colored boxes.

These are used to help distinquish other features of the attribute such as:

Use for display only (attribute cannot be selected and added to cart. Good for things like "Select from Below" to force the customer to make their own choice and not just hit Add to Cart and get a pink snail instead of a blue snail :)

Attribute is Free when product is Free (Some products you may set to Free ... but the some attributes are free and some attriutes cost money)

Default Attribute (Should be used especially on Radio buttons, or if you have an attribute you prefer the customer selects.)

Apply Discounts used by Product Sale/Special (this will apply the same type of discount that the product is getting from the products_price vs the special or sale price)

Include in Base Price (when products are priced by attributes mark the attributes include in base price then the lowest price in each Option Name group are added together to make up the product price. NOTE: when not the product is not marked priced by attribute this setting has no effect on the price)

Attribute Required for TEXT (Some text is required text and cannot be left blank by the customer)

Be sure to hit Add to add the newly defined Attribute

You can always edit or delete them

When done ... you can update the sort orders for the product to the Option Value sort order by pressing the button at the top of the page.

Thanks Ajeh, this post helps a lot.

Thank you!

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one but sad that so many others have the same problem, that means it's really hard to do ::frust

Is a "radio button" the small circle that when clicked turn green? It would be so much easier if we knew what things mean or at least what they mean to the person that created it.

Sorry guys I can't help, I need help myself. I've bee trying this for 3 days and my headis about to explode. Need a break!!

So much for the free month trial i got from my hosting company, it'll take me that long to get it going!!!! ::tdn

A radio button when on the screen is the white circle with the black dot when selected.

A dropdown is a list of options with the arrow on the right to select from the list.

A checkbox is a square box that you can check/uncheck

When a dropdown is the Product Option Name Type ... but there is only 1 choice ... it switches from a dropdown to a selected radio button ... the white circle will have a black center as there is no other choice.

But, if you add another Option Value to this Option Name, then it will go back to being the dropdown as there is now a choice for the customer to make.

The Green/Red/Yellow/etc. colors are just flags or indicators of various settings such as Status being on/off or warnings, cautions or good indicators.

Like if you set a download filename and spell it wrong, you will see a red icon (red circle) next to the name ... if you spell the name right, then the green icon will be next to the name.

There are a couple of things you do need to know ahead of time.

Radio buttons are the little round circles that when clicked are filled. You can only choose 1 radio button in a group.

Checkboxes are the little squares. They get a check when you click on them. You can check more than one in a group

Baffled and Befuzzled.

I'm trying to have a product that has a base price Say $29.95
a discount of 40% making it $17.97 and
a discount of 45% making it $46.47.

The only way I've been able to get this to work, even remotly, is to set the products Attribute price at -29.95 and the price factor at .6 for 40% off and .55 for 45% off.

Is there a way to set the price factor to a negative number?

Am I way off base on how I'm using the pricing of the attributes?

Thanks!!

If you were to explain to me a real world example of what you are trying to accomplish on a product and its price maybe I can answer this ... but I am not picturing what you are trying to accomplish here.

Just type slow ... I am not real bright :)

Linda - you can pretend to be dull all you want... we know better..

OK.. here's the full explaination.
I'd love to have a discount structure that is attached to a client, but could be limited by catagory. i.e. Client A gets 10% off everything except categories X,Y, and Zed.
Having exhaused that scenario and found out that, as wonderful as ZenCart is, it's not able to do that yet.

So, I figured that, since I'm a wholesaler, and my client base is near fixed, I could represent the discounts offered by the cunning use of attributes. Provide all of the discounts in either a pull down or radio button option and have the order puller double check the discount chosen against what the client is elligible for.

All good so far?

So product Xyzzy has an SRP of 29.95.
I select "price by attributes" in the product add/edit page.

I want the pulldown menu to have the following options
40% off
45% off
47% off

I've set up the Options and Values (they work if I want to up the price).
Now, if I want the price to go UP by 40% I just change the Price Factor to .6.
But if I want the price to go down ,it doesn't seem to register if I want the Price Factor to be -.6.

So, what I've done is set the Price Attribute to -29.95 (negating the retail of the product in question) and the price factor to .6. This works. Kinda.
It's not possible to copy this Attribute set to other products.. unless they have the same SRP. The Subtotal on the Shopping Cart shows the price being discounted.
( I was trying to set up a login for you, but my webhose just puked...)

Linda,
http://online.hobbieshawaii.com
login zencart AT hobbieshawaii DOT com
pass zencart

Go to the home page or search for xyzzy..

This might make it easier to understand.

BTW -THANK YOU!


Username / login will be diabled upon resolution of problem...

Maybe you could explain why the game is discounted.

Why would one be 45% off and another 47% off?

I run a wholesale distributor company.
40% off SRP is the standard discount
45% off SRP is offered to clients that preorder X dollars worth of product from a monthly catalog.
47% off SRP is offered to clients that preorder Y dollars worth of product from a monthly catalog.

Since I can't tie discounts to clients though Zencart (yet)
I'm going to allow the client pick their discount and correct any discrepancies on the back end.

:D

I see said the blind man ...

Okay this should be able to be done with the attributes price factor ...

You have a products_price and then the attributes_price_factor and an attributes_price_factor_offset

By combining these in combination you should be able to get the proper price.

The formula is products_price * (attributes_price_factor - attributes_price_factor_offset)

Example:

40% off
products_price $100
attributes_price_factor .60
attributes_price_factor_offset 1.00
Price: $60.00

45% off
products_price $100
attributes_price_factor .55
attributes_price_factor_offset 1.00
Price: $55

47% off
products_price $100
attributes_price_factor .53
attributes_price_factor_offset 1.00
Price: $53

Note you can remove the + prefix also so it reads correctly.

Hi, I need some tips on the fllowing.

If you go tot this link http://www.easybeading.com.au/zen/index.ph...o&products_id=2
could you let me know how to get rid of the Qty Discounts New Price box. I've tried undoing what I did to get it there but it didn't work.

Also, if someone ticks the checkbox for buy 2 (or 3/4/5 for that matter) and adds to cart, is there a way of decreasing the units in stock by the qty chose?

ANy ideas will be greatly apreciated.
Raquel.

I believe I mentioned on another message to you ... but just go to the Products Price Manager for this product.

Edit ...
Enter 0 on QTY
Update ...

For what you are trying to do, I would use Product Discount Quanties.

Set the products_price for the price of 1

Then Add Discount Quanties for the rest.

They can either be a Percentage or an Actual Price

Using the Attributes is not the best way nor the most efficient way to do this.

The Discount Quantities would work much better for you.

Now when the customer buys 4 they will get the right price.

I have an attribute question that is a little different than the questions above.

I have one product with 5 purchasing options:

> Book
> Download Option 1
> Download Option 2
> Download Option 3
> Trial Download (FREE)

Right now the Book needs to be discounted by $5.00. But I want all the Downloads to remain the same price. E.g. the Book originally costs $52.50, but with the special it costs $47.50. All the Downloads cost $20, except the Trial Download which is free.

To do this I set the products 'Price by Attribute' to YES.

I set the prices for each attribute in the Attribute Controller. I turned on the ‘Apply Discounts Used by Product Special/Sale:’ feature to YES for the Product’s ‘Book’ attribute. For all the Download attributes that is set to NO. This way the discount will only apply to the Book and not the Downloads. Also, ‘Include in Base Price When Priced by Attributes’ is set to NO for all attributes.

In the Price Manager I installed a Special ($47.50) and set the Product Price Info to the original Book price ($52.50) before the discount.

When you select the Book in the shopping cart and click Add to Cart, the shopping cart lists the Book at $100 ($52.50+$47.50) but the Sub-Total in the shopping cart is at $47.50. It is processing the discount, but for some reason inside the cart it is adding the base price and the attribute sale price together but displaying the Sub-Total at the bottom of the cart correctly. If I add the Trial Download (free) to the cart the total price displays at $52.50 but the Sub-Total is $0.

It is confusing that the shopping cart is listing the price of the book two different ways. Id there another way to apply a special or a sale to one attribute and not the others without this weird shopping cart bug?

Thanks.

On this product do you get either the Book *or* one of the Downloads?

Or do you get the Book *and* one of the downloads?

If you are Price by Attributes Yes but then set all the attributes to Include in Base Price No ... this is going to be an incorrect display of the price.

If you could give me a little more info on this we can get your pricing straightened out.

It's the book -OR- the download, since they are essentially the same thing.

We want the book to be $5.00 off the original price until a certain date.

if I set Include in Base Price to yes on all the attributes the same thing happens. The book adds to cart at $100 but the sub-total at the bottom of the cart is the discounted price.

Set the Products Price to 0

Set Priced by Attribute Yes

Now set the attributes to their full value

Based on this setting ... the display price is the lowest price of each of the Product Options are added together if they are marked Include in Base Price.

ok.

I set the products price to $0.

I kept the Price by Attributes on YES.

The attributes are maked to include the base price (which is $0).

The attributes are set to their full value price. E.g. the book is set at $52.50.

With the special on (the book for sale for $47.50) and only the book attribute set with the discount on the book shows at $0.00.

I can easily set the book to the discounted price and avoid this mess. I just wanted to be able to take advantage of the Specials feature in ZenCart so it would expire on a certain date. I guess that doesn't work when you want to discount one attribute and not the whole product.

Any ideas?????

The attributes are not designed to be discounted in the manner you are attempting.

I take it that the discount on the special is just for the book attribute ... but the others do not get the special discount, correct?

Actually, this is possible to setup as you want it ... just takes a little thinking through all the peices and parts of the pricing features available in Zen Cart ... it just takes a little fooling around with all the neat features to make this work for you ... :)

The products price is $0.00

Priced by Attributes is Yes

The Book Attribute is priced $52.50 and set to include in base price and Apply Discounts Used by Product Special/Sale: Yes

The Downloads are set to $20.00 each and set include in base price to NO and Apply Discount Used by Product Special/Sale: NO

Now the price will read: $52.50 Sale $47.50 and the pricing will work correctly when the Downloads are selected at $20.00

If you miss any of these steps it all comes out wrong ... :blink:

But if you are careful in how you use the options for the attributes it will work the way you are wanting it.




The

I have not installed Zen yet so forgive me if I am posting out of turn (I just got an email from Linda this morning inviting me to try Zen instead of osc). :P

My question is two-fold

Question 1:
I have products that have 2 or 3 options that can contain the same option values. in OSC you cannot distinguish between them.

For example:

glaze 1 - Red
glaze 1 - Blue

glaze 2 - Red
glaze 2 = Blue

So when I assign product attributes, I cannot distinguish between glaze 1's red and glaze 2's red. Is this the same on Zen Cart?

Question 2

I would like to be able to limit second and third options depending on what option 1 is.

Ex.

Mazda 626
2 door or 4 door

if 2 door, then comes in red or yellow
if 4 door, then comes in blue or green

is there a way to make colors change depending on which model they choose? ( I don't sell cars, I wish!)

Option Names own their Option Values.

So if you have Option Names:

Glaze 1
Glaze 2

They would own their own separate Option Values for:
Red
Blue

When assigning them you would see in the list:

Red [Glaze 1]
Red [Glaze 2]

As to options being related or dependant to one another that is not a feature of Zen Cart at this time.

Thanks Linda! Can't wait to get home tonight to install!

Zoom zooom zoooooom!!

I am having a problem with the Price Attributes.
I created a product priced by attributes. Created
values: Price Level, then A-F, each adding $ to the total.

http://www.cybermidi.com/catalog/index.php...roducts_id=3099

Now when I click add to cart, the Sub-Total only shows the attribute price, not the full price.

Is this a bug or have I set something wrong somewhere?

TIA

Is the Product $60 and then you add:

A $0
B $15
etc.

If so this is not Priced by attributes.

I am assuming you have a Product Price of $60

Turn off the Priced by Attribute.

That is used only for when there is no Product Price and the Product Display Price should be built from the lowest price of the Option Values in each of the Option Names.

oops,
thanks again.

Sure thing.

Somethings you do need to price by attribute because there is no other way to interpret the initial price.

But other than those ... usually Price by Attribute is always No and you use the Products Price plus the attributes for everything.

Glad you are back on track :)

Is there any easy way to add an attribute to an entire category?

I have a checkbox option:
'Option1' -> {'Value1 (+$2.00)', 'Value2 (+$1.00)'}
and I need every product in category XYZ to have these checkboxes with the given prices. I can add this to each individual product, one at a time, or update the products that already have the attribute, but i don't see how to add the attribute to more than one product at a time.

thanks!
michael

Make a fake product (I set this to Out of Stock so it doesn't appear in the Catalog) ... Add the attribute to it.

Then do a Copy Attribute Update without deleting to a category and the 1 attribute will be copied to all products in that category.

Note: Be sure to always make backups of your database before attempting new things :)

Thank you Linda! That is exactly what I wanted. I completely missed that whole box of update/delete options.

Thanks again!

--
michael

Basically, this whole system is way to confusing and ambiguous, and not visually laid out very well. It would be nice if it got an overhaul to make it more intuitive and explanitory...like maybe little 'explain this' links and better organization (perhaps less seperation?). It seems to have a lot of power, but there are a lot of problems with it being to techy and messy. For instance, the clients that need to maintain this site are friggin' lost when they hit a screen that looks like any of the three to manage attribs. It would be real nice if the admin section got seperated into a 'store manager' section, for lay people who just want to manage their products, and a techy section for us people who set up everything else.

mqtclct, no disrespect meant, but you do realize that ZenCart is Open Source? This isn't a corporation of coders. It's a collaboration.


On the other hand, I found the attributes section a little on the confusing side as well.
On the third hand, I'm incredibly greatful for all of the work done to ZenCart and will gladly deal with a little confusion. Sure as hell beats coding it myself (which would take me years!)

On the fourth hand, Linda rulez. :lol:

Yup.. true that.
(Try getting this type of support from a corporation)

And if I had fourth hand.. I'd be able to get off work on time, like before it got dark.
(finding shirts might be a problem though)

Attributes are one of the most complicated issues, I have to admit.

That is why they let someone like me play with them ... cause I see things most people don't ... :blink:

Meanwhile, I keep work on new additions and am trying to simplify things over time.

Based on what we started with and the limitations of the old attribute system ... we have come a long ways.

As things are broken down and seperated out to make managing them easier and easier the screens will start becoming more friendly.

I am more concerned at the moment with functionality then the look. So while the Option Names, Option Values and Attributes have finally been separated out to make things easier ... there is a lot more to do.

Navigation between products and categories within the attributes is being further developed.

Additional manipulation of adding/deleting attributes based on existing attributes is being worked on ... example: If a product has Color Red ... add Size Small ... or any combo you would like.

I have that trick working, but I know the next cry will be ... "but only to this category ... not all products!!" so I am working on that too.

Then I hear the next cry of ... "but I want the prices based on this product!!! ... But only for that category!!!"

And people wonder why I sometimes appear dizzy ... granted in my own special, unique sort of way ... I probably am a little dizzy ... ::ek

Lets all remember that been a freebie it is quite good. And I am saying that, someone that b4 ZenCart had no clue about webs and html and all of that yucky stuff.

I have learned a lot and I am quite proud of myself. But it is confusing. One thing that should e easy enough to be changed is ie: In admin (all over it) you gotta choose yes/no, on/off etc.. In some places you do this by chossing a 0 or 1. Yet in other places you just pick yes/no or on/off. And in some other places you know it's totta be yes/no or on/off but there's nothing to suggest how to enter it such as 0/1, yes/no or on/off.

That's confusing! All in all, it could be more user friendly but thanks to the forum and oher users who don't mind giving up their time to help us dumb ;) ones, it works well.

Now, back to my zen cart ..... where was I? Oh that's right, the taxes ...... again.

I look forward to the day we are at a full completion of an Admin re-write.

Yes it takes time.

But it is coming slowly but surely.

We would like it to be simple too. But at the same time, we don't want to go back and loose the functionality of all of the new features either.

Most have not really looked, but there are several sections of the attributes that can actually be turned off if they are not being used to make things less complicated.

Over time, this will be product type related.

For now ... they are global settings in regard to attributes.

I was wondering if somebody could help me out a sec?

If you look at this link :_

http://stickers.signprint.co.uk/index.php?...products_id=185

You will see that the owner has a colour chart underneath the colour option, so that people can choose what colour they wish to have.
Could somebody tell me how this is done so i can stick a colour chart on mine please?

Also, is it possible to put an image into a drop down box say, or into the text field of a radio button?
I'm thinking i could have a little square of colour with a radio or checkbox next to it so the user could choose.

Last thing. If that happened, could there be a 'picture' link by each colour so the user could see the product in the chosen colour?

1: Sorry for dragging on
2: Thanks in advance for any help
3: Well done to the creators of Zen Cart. Top cart ::tup

Steve is using an attributes image.

From the looks of it that is one attributes image set on the first attribute and none on the rest.

You have several ways you can use the attribute image and may need to experiment a bit to get the look you want. This can be done with 1 or multiple images, 1 per attribute.

Note: at the moment there is not an enlarge attributes.

This is planned for a future release of Zen Cart so you can have a color swatch and then enlarge the image per attribute to a different image.

I get the following error message when tryign to add a value to an item name

1062 Duplicate entry '1-1' for key 1

Option Values

ID Option Name Option Value
1 size 8x10


Any ideas?

Which version of Zen Cart are you using?

It sounds like you removed all the demo products and the tables were not emptied correctly.

If you were starting fresh you would want these tables empty to start with:

- products_options
- products_options_values
- products_options_values_to_products_options


Once all three are empty, try adding an Option Name then an Option Value to see if the error has disappeared.

What happens with the amount of items in stock, when you use attributes??

I'm selling little receivers for Radio Control planes.

Every receiver is in stock at 2 frequencies (35 and 40 mHz).
With the receiver I want to sell a cristal.
The cristals come in 23 different channels for the 35 mHz-frequency and in 22 different channels for the 40 mHz.

An example:
The Penta-receiver.
Choise out of 35 mHz Penta or 40 mHz Penta.
For the 35 mHz Penta I have 23 different cristals (Channel 60 to 82).
For the 40 mHz Penta I have 22 different cristals (Channel 50 to 92).

I managed to setup the attributes for the different frequency cristals and the 23 and 22 different channels.
How do I "connect" them to the cristals as a product, so that I can control and check the amount of cristals that are sold / in stock??

Do you have to create the different separate cristals as separate products?

I've read the treads in this forum and studied the example-shop, but I can't figure out where I can check.

I use 1.1.4d

Regards,

JP

RC.JEPE.biz

Inventory control by attribute is not available yet. It is coming though.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kim@Nov 17 2004, 01:57 AM
Inventory control by attribute is not available yet. It is coming though.

---

Where is this on the roadmap?

If you do a search on roadmap and I'd look for the last 180 days ... I forget when it was posted you should find information on this. :)

Alright, well my question is a little different from the others, but, then again, it should be. :D The option names and values I have set correctly and appear to be fine. I want someone to be able to purchase an item for the full amount. But if they select an attribute, it only bills them for that attribute. Something like:

Checkers Game = 50.00
(Checkbox form)
-Board = 20.00
-Red Chips = 15.00
-Black Chips = 15.00


I've been messing around with all the options and settings, but can't find one that works. I would like for an individual to be able to purchase just the black chips for 15.00. Is there anyway when an attribute is selected, exclude the base price and just use the attribute/combined attributes price as the total?

Thanks.

Sorry... Not at the moment. You are looking for sub-products rather than attributes.

Well that does explain my troubles. :P Any idea when the sub-products section will be released? If at all?

What about using something like this:

Checkers Game
-Full Game: board and all chips = 50.00
-Board Only = 20.00
-Red Chips Only = 15.00
-Black Chips Only = 15.00

-t

Good Idea Tim! I must be tired...

Set it up as product - Checkers, price$0 and price by attributes.

Is there a way I can make the following radio buttons?

------------------------
O 5 Gold ($5)
O 10 Gold ($9.50)
O 15 Gold ($14)
etc....

I also want the following thing:
HAve five gold the deafault and have it the price
Instead of having +/- the price, can i have x = price
Show the 5 gold price on the things, sincei ts deafault

You can do this ... but it would not be a true qty counter.

Have you looked at the Discount Qty on the Product Price Manager?

You could add the discounts based on qty to the product.

It would draw a table to show these discounts and when the quantity is added the discount would be applied accordingly.

I've been fiddling with the attributes, but either I'm not doing it right (EXTREMELY likely) or I can't get there from here with attributes (also EXTREMELY likely).

Here's what I want to do. I'm setting up a cart for an actor friend of mine. He'll be selling photos and the like from his site. Here's what I want to set up:

unsigned photo $8
signed photo $15
personalized &#036;25 <-- for this one we&#39;d need a text box for how they&#39;d like it personalized.

If the example isn&#39;t clear, let me know.

What&#39;s the best way to set that sort of thing up?

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hanlon@Oct 21 2004, 06:34 PM
I&#39;m incredibly greatful for all of the work done to ZenCart and will gladly deal with a little confusion.

---

I couldn&#39;t agree more - I am installing a new cart for a friend and am feeling some "attribute" frustrations myself - even thought I would try to use cubecart this time - worked in there for about 10 minutes after installing and realized that I would need multiple add ons to do what zen cart does as is - and that I would have to pay for all of them - the two I needed were going to be 30.00&#33; (one was for taking credit cards OFFLINE and one was for Discount Pricing&#33;) Needless to say, I&#39;ll work with ZenCart&#33; Thank you to EVERYONE who works on making Zen Cart what it is ::tup - I think by the time I finish with this particular cart I&#39;m going to be an expert :) NOT to mention the great forum -- we couldn&#39;t live without it&#33;

That being said, I am probably missing some posts on this as I found this particular one while looking for attribute "issues" (or maybe I&#39;m just using the wrong search terms so I apologize in advance if these are "asked and answered"):

1. (I already posted this but will reiterate) I saw that someone had a mod for this - but could not find it posted - the ability to do quantity discounts in a "category" - and am trying to understand the linking -
i.e.
http://www.magneticspecialtouch.com/shop/index.php
Create Your Own Jewelry and Ready Made Jewelry will both have Bracelets, Anklets and Necklaces - he offers up Bracelets/Anklets for 15.00 each - 2 for &#036;25 or 3 @ 10.00 each - this was a simple accomplishment for the individual products - but needs to transcend to apply to all - if someone knows how to do this - please let me know (I will have to do the same for Necklaces)

2. Dropdown vs. Checkbox -- if someone wants to order 3 of the same style in 3 different colors, it would make sense to do the checkbox (Since Anklets and Bracelets are the same price I was going to do them as attributes as well but changed because of trying to figure this one out) - If I do checkbox, that will give them the option to choose more than one color - but if they only order one, then of course there will be confusion with the order - I would like to think that someone would figure this "out" when placing an order, but I&#39;ve seen to many customers get confused and know better - any thoughts on how to do this?

3. He offers free shipping period - since that is the global shipping option - I&#39;m assuming it&#39;s NOT necessary to choose always free shipping when adding a product (I&#39;ve gotten close to 100 added in the past 48 hours so I&#39;m hoping not and just thought I&#39;d ask while I was posting this)

4. I&#39;ve looked and maybe this isn&#39;t there or I&#39;m just not finding it - is there a way to copy pricing discounts from item to item like there is to copy the attribute options? I am using the latest ZenCart and selected that option when I was copying attributes (2nd option Update with new settings/prices, then add new ones) -- but it did not copy the pricing discount -

Thanks in advance and sorry for the long line of questions

Lorri Nevil

Quote:

---

Originally posted by afo@Jan 5 2005, 01:38 AM
I&#39;ve been fiddling with the attributes, but either I&#39;m not doing it right (EXTREMELY likely) or I can&#39;t get there from here with attributes (also EXTREMELY likely).

Here&#39;s what I want to do. I&#39;m setting up a cart for an actor friend of mine. He&#39;ll be selling photos and the like from his site. Here&#39;s what I want to set up:

unsigned photo &#036;8
signed photo &#036;15
personalized &#036;25 <-- for this one we&#39;d need a text box for how they&#39;d like it personalized.

If the example isn&#39;t clear, let me know.

What&#39;s the best way to set that sort of thing up?

---

If I am understanding this correctly ...

You have either an &#036;8, &#036;15 or &#036;25 photo

The &#036;25 needs the personalizing.

Set the Product to Price by Attributes with no price

One way to do this is make an Option Name: Photo Type Dropdown (or Radio Button)

Option Values:
Unsigned 8
Signed 15
Personalized 25

Then include an Option Name: Personalized Signature Type Text

Now Edit the Option Name: Personalized Signature

You will find there is a 64 character comment box where you can include instructions that Personalized Photos can be written here ... or something to that effect.

So the price is in the first Option Name group

The comment you add to the Personalized Signature would appear above the Personalized Signature input box.

When you add these attributes to the product, select one of the Photo types to be the default so there is someone selected.

There is not a way to *force* including the signature.

An alternative is price personalized in the first group as 0 and add the price to the Personalized Signature for 25

This way, if the personalized signature is filled in there is a &#036;25 charge on the order. If they just select Personalized from the first group but do not add the personalized signature information then there is no charge to them and may in the end be less complicated for mistakes as there would not be a charge for something they did not complete the information on.

I hope this helps you out in the different methods of using the attributes. They can be a tad confusing. But as you work with them they should be more clear to you.

Note: providing you did not go wild and clear the TEXT setting out of the products_options_values table you should not have any trouble making TEXT attributes. This is a common problem where people clean out the database tables and take out too much.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Ajeh@Jan 5 2005, 02:41 PM
You will find there is a 64 character comment box where you can include instructions that Personalized Photos can be written here ... or something to that effect.

---

If that&#39;s not long enough, it can be changed by changing the database field itself .. discussed on this thread.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Ajeh@Jan 5 2005, 02:41 PM
If I am understanding this correctly ...

You have either an &#036;8, &#036;15 or &#036;25 photo

The &#036;25 needs the personalizing.

---

Thanks, Linda&#33; I&#39;m gonna give this a whirl. I spoke to him last night and told him about the cart, so he&#39;s pretty psyched. He was stunned by the pricing I suggested, but that&#39;s not carved in stone.

Anyway, any photo available on his site can be purchased as is (unsigned), signed (just autographed) or personalized (autograhped to a specific person). He&#39;s a bit concerned about folks reselling the autographed (but not personalized) photos, but I figure once people know they can purchase merchandise directly from him, why would they bid on eBay?

Quote:

---

why would they bid on eBay?

---

for fun :) and because they may not know of his site.....

Post your own photos on e-bay with a link to your site to see them? Or is that an e-bay no-no :)

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Ajeh@Jan 5 2005, 03:11 PM
Post your own photos on e-bay with a link to your site to see them? Or is that an e-bay no-no :)

---

He&#39;s concerned about people getting autographed photos and reselling them. There isn&#39;t really much that can be done about that unless he ALWAYS personalizes the photos which makes them much less valuable from a reseller&#39;s pov. This is actually a concern for any celebrity type (famous or not). There are people who refuse to sign autographs for any adult.

This is still under consideration since I sprung it on him last night that he should have his own "store" this week.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Ajeh@Jan 5 2005, 02:41 PM
An alternative is price personalized in the first group as 0 and add the price to the Personalized Signature for 25

This way, if the personalized signature is filled in there is a &#036;25 charge on the order. If they just select Personalized from the first group but do not add the personalized signature information then there is no charge to them and may in the end be less complicated for mistakes as there would not be a charge for something they did not complete the information on.

---

I&#39;m doing something wrong (again&#33;).

Here&#39;s how I set it up.

Priced by attributes - base price 0.

Radio buttons:
unsigned +8
autographed +15
personalized +15
personalization text +10

Unfortunately, when you look at the product, it says "Starting at &#036;18" when it should say "Starting at &#036;8".

Is there a way to restrict the "personalization text" to the "personalized" attribute? I don&#39;t want folks to think they can select "unsigned" and "personalization text" and get the signed photo for &#036;18.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by spinning-plate@Jan 5 2005, 02:57 PM

for fun :) and because they may not know of his site.....

---

True, but if I live thru setting this up, ;) I&#39;ll be posting it to forums and email lists that would be interested.

If you have this setup as:

Radio buttons:
unsigned +8
autographed +15
personalized +15

Then another Option Name for the text as:
personalization text +10

Then set the Personalized Text to not be included in the attribute base price the Starting at will be &#036;8.00

Starting at price takes the lowest price in each Option Name group of prices.

In your case, you don&#39;t want the personalized text to be added in here on the display price.

You just want that added in if they fill in the text input box.

Cool beans&#33; That worked B)

I&#39;m now 90% there. Considering that when I posted, I was 0% there, that&#39;s a VAST improvement. :P

I&#39;m still fiddling with it. If you select "unsigned" and enter "personalized text", it comes out to &#036;18 which is incorrect. I think I&#39;ll have to give it a base price of &#036;8 and take out the "unsigned" attibute. The others will have to be the difference between the price and the base &#036;8. That should work.

Well, it was a tough fight, but I finally won. Thanks, Linda&#33; ::tup

Glad you got it working.

Attributes can be a real trick at times but they are also capable of a zillion and one things.

You just have to fight through the learning curve ... B)

Hey guys, I&#39;m wondering if it&#39;s possible to add an attribute to an entire category, and have products added to that category in the future take on that attribute?

Thanks,

Brad

You cannot have a self learning attribute but you can use the attributes copier to add an attribute to a category.

What I do is make a product that is marked out of stock ... add the attribute to it ... then copy the attribute to the category you need it in.

There are options for updating, deleting etc. on the attributes when you copy them in this method.

Peek at the Attributes Controller for the copier.

I&#39;m working on a site for a client that has only 1 option (Clan) with about 20+ options in it (all the different clan names). Is there a way to add all the option values with one click or do I have to add each one individually?

You could add 1 of the Options to a product then use the copier on the Option Name Manager to Add all of the Option Name Option Values to any products with at least 1 Option Name Option Value.

You will want to make a good backup before experimenting with this until you are use to how it works.

Use the one that reads:

Add ALL Option Values to ALL products for Option Name
Update ALL existing products that have at least ONE Option Value and Add ALL Option Values in an Option Name
Pick the Option Name and it will copy all the Option Values for it.

Thanks. Not terribly intuitive but I think we&#39;ll get the hang of it. :)

Read all 10 pages..did the search...am still at a loss.....

I am working on a store that sells custom made candles. You choose the shape, size, color, and fragrance.

Shape, size were easy.

They come in 30 colors, so I thought I would snazz it up with color swatches. I had assumed (there&#39;s that A word&#33;) that if I added a swatch to each color attribute that they would appear side by side with the radio box or checkbox next to them.

That&#39;s what I get for assuming&#33;

I have a 30 name text listing with the radio buttons next to them, then below that the 30 color swatches. Under the color swatches is the drop-down for fragrance.

All this makes the listing very very long and very fugly.

1. Is there a way to have the swatches next to the color name and radio button?

2. Is there a way to have the colors in 2 rows instead of 1 long one?

3. Is there a way for the fragrances dropdown to be across from the first color listing?

Thank You,

b

I am sure that in this thread somewhere is a post on how to change the arrangement of the attribute images.

Here&#39;s my question for this months long thread :)

Is there a way to change the Products Model value via attributes?

I have multiple products of various colours and lengths. Their model numbers are different based on those values. I would like to have only one product entry in Zen, instead of having to add a new product for each colour & length.

For example, if a user purchased productA and chose the green colour attribute, 10 feet long. The products model value would change to producta10green when submitted.

If someone else purchased productA and chose blue for their colour, 5 feet long, the products model value would change to producta5blue.

Thanks alot for the help, and special thanks go to the developers&#33;

Not at this time ...

In a future release there will be attribute stock that may help you with this.

Hi Everybody,
I&#39;m new to Zen, and don&#39;t seem to get the hang of attributes.

I would like people to be able to download MP3 music from my site. I&#39;ve figured that part out.

Now, how do I price every MP3 download to be &#036;.49 using attributes?::frust

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Hi, I&#39;d like to add my question here about attributes. I am offering products and would like to have it set up like this:

Body butter in 3 different sizes @ 3 differnt prices
2 oz. - &#036;6.00
4 oz. - &#036;10.00
8 oz. - &#036;15.00

I would like the options to be in a dropdown box, so how would I go about doing this?

TIA&#33;&#33;

Read the rest of the thread. It has ALL been explained thoroughly.

I&#39;m sorry I did read thru it but I didn&#39;t see anything that specifically applied to this. I&#39;ll look again, sorry to be bothersome.

not quite what I had in mind but I think I&#39;ve got it so it&#39;ll do for now.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Ajeh@Jan 22 2005, 11:40 PM
Not at this time ...

In a future release there will be attribute stock that may help you with this.

---

hey linda, do you have any idea, when this option will be available? Cause I really need something like a inventory based on attributes.

This is scheduled for v1.4 ... and no we don&#39;t have a date for v1.4 we&#39;d like to get v1.3 out first ... B)

so what are we talking then, a year or even longer? or is there any good inventory control system interacting with zen cart that you know of?

More like a few months on this one ...

To do stock tracking down to the attribute level has a lot of things to take into account to allow for all the different attribute types, combos etc.

If we had stronger support for new features like this, we&#39;d be able to get these things done a lot faster ...

But we have to feed my Kitty ... such a fussy cat wanting to eat on a regular basis ... :rolleyes:

But this is one of our priorities to get this added to Zen Cart as soon as we are able.

interesting thread :) lots of great information, but like the rest a question...

I know you can add default selection to items and also the "please Select" one to dropdowns, but I want to have various radio buttons for size, colour, type and various other stuff and the client MUST select one or each - is there a check that I can say these must be selected? when they try to "Add to cart"

I cannot use default cos if they don&#39;t notice they will end up with the wrong thing...

Hopefully its not before me in the thread if it is tell me and I will go back and read through it again

Thanks
Sarah

This is what the attribute setting for:

Used For Display Purposes Only:

You may not add a product to the cart when this is selected.

If you add to Colors a:

Select from below and set this to the default and set to Display only ... it would stop a customer from not picking a valid choice.

Thanks Ajeh - that worked perfectly&#33;

now just need tow ork out the other intricisies this shop needs :D

Hello, I also got some troubles with attributes.
Most of them are working fine but i got a problem with this situation.

A banner costs
1 piece 100,-
5 piece 50,-
10 piece 25,-

Printed in 2 colors + 15%
Printed in 3 colors + 30%
Printed in 4 colors + 45%

Printed double sided + 50 %

-1 piece price in the article base.
-5 en 10 piece price i put in the product price manager
- I created the correct option names and values
- the attributs: 2 color: factor=1.15 offset=1 and so on.
The result is:
everything goes well with 1 piece.
The factor/offset is alway calculated from the base price.
That is not what i want, I want it calculated from the pricemanager prices eg

10 pieces 2 color:
10 * 25,- + 15% gives
250+ 15% from 1000 ( 10 * baseprice ) = 250+150=400

I would like:
10 * 25,- + 15% gives
250 + 15% from 250 = 250+37,50 =287,50

Is there a way to do this? I think i tried everything.
Help

There is not a calculation within a calculation on the prices at this time on the attributes.

using the attributes controller, I want to discount a product when a checkbox is checked. The kicker is, I want to discount it by a percentage, rather than a set amount. How does my attributes controller need to be set up?

thanks in advance

You could add an attribute price factor that would compute a negative amount based on a percentage.

If selected it would then apply that amount to the product.

I believe this was covered... but I&#39;ll try a go at it.

Set up an Option Name... such as Discount A (as a radio button)
Set up the aprppriate Option Values assigned to Discount A

From the Attributes Menu
Select a Product
Select Discount A from the Option Name window and the discount you added from the Option Values window
Blank out the "+" associated with Price.
In the Price Factor field, enter the factor by which you would like the price to be changed by. i.e. .6 would give you 40% off.
For the Offset field, enter "1"

This is what I&#39;ve been using.. works like a charm.

Hope my instructions were clear enough.
Hanlon