Allowing checkout with product out of stock

Hi,
I have reviewed all the options in Configuration --> Stock
Mark product out of stock = blank
Allow checkout = true
Product status when out of stock = 1 (on)
Show sold out image = 0

I need to know if Zen Cart will allow me to add to cart and complete operation with an "out of stock" product, which we can order.
In other words, instead of the "sold out" image I need to show "on back order" and complete the operation.
Of course, we wouldn't charge the credit card before shipping the order.
Please help, this is critical for our site.
Thanks.

This is what the Configuration ... Stock ... setting is for:

Quote:

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Allow Checkout
Allow customer to checkout even if there is insufficient stock

true
false

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Thanks indeed for reply on a Sunday.
I was wondering what was happening with your ultra-fast tech support but then I read about your Mom's health.
Hope all is well, sincerely.
Understood your response but what about allowing customers to check out even with 0 stock, by placing their order "on back order" status.
We custom order products all the time because we cannot afford to stock a variety of over 7,000 items.
I know that does not exist in Zen Cart at present, but it is a feature I absolutely need to have.
Please help me out, and don't mention donations, if I can go live and make $$, you will be the first to get contribs on a regular basis.
Thanks in advance.

There isn't anything customize built in to manage stock beyond tracking and not tracking and setting to Sold Out or allowing checkout ...

You can indicate in the code that it is backordered with:
Mark product out of stock

and setting that to *** or text or something that says this is not in stock ...

Beyond that, you would need custom code ...

Thanks again for swift reply.
I will try by all means to solve within the given functionality, please point me to the files that govern that process.
I will study them, try to understand them and attempt to modify if necessary.
If I run into trouble that I cannot manage with my very limited knowledge, I will contact you by this means.
Best regards.

To change the functionality of the checkout processes involves a magnitude of files to manage stock, manipulate what can or cannot be used for checkout etc.

If you cannot use what is built into Zen Cart and need to customize this, you would need to follow all of the files for the shopping_cart and then the checkout ...

This would require a lot more information than a simple post to explain how to change the functionality of Zen Cart and adapt it to something new ...

Perhaps someone with a lot of time on their hands will pick up on this and help walk you through all of the changes required beyond the already built in features for Allow checkout when products_quantity is <= 0 ... if you cannot use it as it is currently designed ...

Like Boddhisattva said: The Truth is in the middle.
I have already succesfully installed the Stock by Attributes mod in the Admin, which solves half of my problem.
For the other half, I will attempt to use the present functionality and if there is really something that I cannot solve will post here.
Until I can pinpoint what exactly needs to be done, if anything, I don't want to abuse anybody's time.
I'm so glad that you are back to your usual speed of response, thanks again.

Excuse me for chiming in here but I figured out a way to solve this problem by making 10 the new 0 in my quantities in stock which made the SOLD OUT BUTTON IN RED SIGN go away whenever a customer orders something that has a low stock.

So in effect you are tricking the cart into believing you have 10 items in stock when you have none which allows the customer to order an item that has to be ordered. If I have 2 of the item in stock my code is 12.

Not too fancy but it works as long as you remember.

Beth-Katherine
hope this helps

You don't need to apologize for writing in a public thread, they don't "belong" to anybody in particular.
Regarding your solution, glad it works for you, but if you grow your business your database will need to be accurate.

Was just curious if you ever found out a "solution" or work around for this? I am trying to do the same thing and looks not to be possible. If nothing else I would like to figure out how ot add the backorder/preorder status added to the order confirmations like it shows when added to the cart and going thru checkout

Take a look at my site. Try to order quantity 100 of any item. My inventory became a jumbled mess, so I had to take stock checking offline while we sort it out. I consider this just a temporary workaround, but it might work for somebody. A shorter message might work if this was a permanent feature of a site. Realize that there is no differentiation here between what can and cannot be backordered (which is why this is not a longterm solution for us.)

HTH
Audra