thanks steve, i've removed the emulate IE line, that was something i found while going round in circles.

the widths, brilliant, i know it's something simple, it has to be to be causing me this much grief lol

it was a struggle getting zen cart to look like the rest of the site, my first foray into any real web build, so i would imagine there will be a few things left over from trying to get everything to fit.

thanks again, i'm off to work now so i will have fun on the test server tomorrow