So I can get an answer on this. I DID NOT UPGRADE FROM 1.27. I put a fresh copy of 1.3 in a new folder with a new data base. I then took my many hours of data that was in the 1.27 ver went to mysql and just got the data from that data base and put it in the new. I then saw that there was a 1.31 version, which I upgraded the 1.3 ver as it is supposed to be done with zc_install. It was supposed to fix the "can't delete". It did not, so I went through the upgrade process again. Still the same thing. I do not have a 1.27 to 1.31 situation. I have a fresh 1.3 and upgrade. I am trying to find out why this is happening. It is on a unix sever which the 1.27 ver worked fine. I also wanted to know if there is a list of the DATA that can be extracted to use in the new version because I can't see spending another week entering data if I can transfer it. Thanks