Hi thanks for answering.

Yes fresh install 1.51. zen cart (I did mention the store was new.)
I installed rma 2.33 on zen 1.51, it worked fine.
I have been installing scripts for 15 years and using zen for dozens of projects.
I joined this forum in 2008 because I had a problem but fixed it without needing to post.
I always read the forum first, that always fixes the problem.

I deleted the 2.33 files and unzipped a fresh download, just in case.
I am thinking that it is not reading from the database.
I don't know much about mysql, could it be the sort order. First install 33
after updating database it went to 34 and is now 38 after deleting and trying 4 times.

The question: is there someplace else in mysql that keeps track of the sort order for returns?
(besides configuration and configuration group)

I forgot about this log!
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:28 America/Chicago] PHP Deprecated: Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613/xdebug.so' - /usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613/xdebug.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: timezonedb: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20060613
PHP compiled with module API=20090626
These options need to match
in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: PDO: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20060613
PHP compiled with module API=20090626
These options need to match
in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: pdo_sqlite: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20060613
PHP compiled with module API=20090626
These options need to match
in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613/sqlite.so' - /usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613/sqlite.so: undefined symbol: third_arg_force_ref in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: pdo_mysql: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20060613
PHP compiled with module API=20090626
These options need to match
in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: SourceGuardian: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20060613
PHP compiled with module API=20090626
These options need to match
in Unknown on line 0
[16-Apr-2013 09:05:29 America/Chicago] PHP Deprecated: Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0



I would not post now if I did not need some ideas of what MIGHT be possibly wrong.

I realize it should work, and I realize 1.51 rma wont work on 1.39 zen.

I have completely uninstalled it 4 times and tried both the 1.39 rma and the 1.51 rma
and all pages come up blank. (not 404 etc just blank) source shows a "1")