Thanks Patti, but I only tried it out in IE since it was looking so weird in FF. I also have and use the web dev toolbar (to the best of my somewhat lacking ability). Without it I wouldn't have gotten this far I haven't touched this stuff for several years and the combination of css and php is killing me.

My "current" problem is is the nav bars (main and supp) are leaving a white space to the left and cutting off the far right. This problem occurred after correcting the white space above the nav main.

Will someone please help me before I pull out the remaining hair on my aching head.

Judy