Awesome, that did the trick (the search margin). Thanks

I don't know what I was thinking of about the removing of tables. Long night

About the divs inside the li.. I thought it was ok, as long as the li was set to display: block? How else do I get the link to fill the entire nav bar (instead of the link being only the text)? I tried setting a to block & entering dimensions that would fill up the box, which worked, but then my text sat near the top & padding wouldn't adjust it. How can I accomplish this but make it validate?