We were thinking alike WR, accept I had already '' out all fields under defines for header alt and text. That is what got me the aforementioned phantom. When I modified my attmept to your suggestion, I got a much larger box with text in it that would change color when I hovered over it. Sooooo, it would appear that I need to change something else that relies on "this" information when placing the image.........like a template or something???? I am just guessing here, or I wouldn't be asking for help.........I can't find anywhere else that the header.php file is being accessed? Any other suggestions?