On my ZC1.5.0 shop, I noticed that my admin doctype is different from my main site. In admin, it uses <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">which causes IE9 to go in quirk mode. Very annoying.
My main shop site is using
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
Is there a reason for this? Can I go ahead an update my files to match my shop? I thought I would ask before going through all the files. UGH
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24 Nov 2012, 06:14 PM #1
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25 Nov 2012, 01:01 AM #2
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Re: Doctype for Admin
Quit using IE and get with a more compliant browser
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25 Nov 2012, 03:35 AM #3
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I'm curious. Why does IE being in Quirks mode cause you to be very annoyed. (IE doesn't exist on Macs, so I can't just look for myself.)
Originally Posted by TrvlFox
As for the admin doctype, the admin code is quite old. Revising it now just to make it XHTML compliant would be a very annoying task.
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25 Nov 2012, 07:07 AM #4
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Re: Doctype for Admin
I don't recall anybody else complaining that it was triggering any problems in IE9. Not sure what your specific issues are.
The admin doctype is completely unrelated to your catalog/storefront doctype.
While the doctype is changing to "html" for HTML5 support in v1.6.0, if you blindly go and change it without ensuring all other dependencies are addressed, you might create yourself more problems.
You REALLY should figure out what exactly is the real root of the problem that's causing the annoyance you mentioned, rather than jumping to change a doctype that nobody else is reporting any problems about..
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25 Nov 2012, 11:45 AM #5
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Re: Doctype for Admin
There's no reason why it has to match the shop doctype. The admin code is html not xhtml anyway.
Many moons ago I changed it to a valid doctype (html not xhtml) with no problems.
Why change it at all? Well when I start to hack about in admin page for my own ends, first I fix the existing html errors so I can easily correct the new ones I introduce and the html checkers I use need a valid doctype to work with.
Previously I never saw anything broken as a result of quirks mode, but I only use IE for a final check after doing dev work with FFox.
Unless you can't actually do something in the admin as a result, what does it matter?Steve
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23 Jan 2013, 09:29 AM #6
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I report problems. Quirks mode causes massive problems in modern web development, for example the flashcanvas doesn't work in quirks mode, resulting that you can't develop anything with canvas-elements which would support any IE-browsers. And the problem REALLY is that Zen Cart admin sends doctype that causes all browsers to go to quirks mode. Originally Posted by DrByte
I would recommend doctype for Zen Cart to be used with dtd, which doesn't force browsers to quirks mode:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
Or perhaps even more bulletproof would be Strict:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">Last edited by Jarkko; 23 Jan 2013 at 09:31 AM.
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23 Jan 2013, 09:40 AM #7
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Re: Doctype for Admin
I have never experienced this in ANY browser, so the problem you are reporting may be of your own making. I have installed nearly 300 zencart sites, across versions starting from 1.2.5 back in 2004. Originally Posted by Jarkko
Additionally, I have progressed through all versions of MSIE (though as Kobra concurs, I seldom if ever use it because it is a hugely problematic browser for professional developers. I just do quick tests in MSIE to make sure everything works for my clients - and as I said, in the last 9 years I have NEVER had a "quirks" issue with it when accessing admin areas in MSIE.
Arbitrarily changing the doctype is not advised...20 years a Zencart User
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23 Jan 2013, 10:16 AM #8
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Have you developed any modules for admin area that uses canvas for example, or customized any part of admin area accordingly? Sure, it works out of the box, but quirks mode really isn't developer friendly if you really want to develop modern web pages/applications. Originally Posted by schoolboy
Last edited by Jarkko; 23 Jan 2013 at 10:20 AM.
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23 Jan 2013, 09:14 PM #9
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Yes, that would be a problem. Originally Posted by Jarkko
You can change it. But you'll have to touch a lot of files to make it happen, depending on which pages you intend to add canvas elements for. And test that you've not broken anything else that might have been depending on the original doctype.
As I said before, v1.6.0 is being updated to use HTML5 ... and unfortunately it's not a simple matter of touching just a couple files.
In the meantime, make whatever changes you need for yourself, and be sure to test that you've not broken anything else in the process..
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