The future: Bootstrap or Foundation? And why?

[Dayo]

I did understand you.

However, I think the person that advised that the devs just go for whatever works for them gave the best advice.
Ultimately whatever call they make will be worked with by us, the users. They need to do the coding and that is not an easy task.

Seems they may be leaning towards Bootstrap and that should be just fine.

[Nick1973]

I do agree with you in saying 'I think the person that advised that the devs just go for whatever works for them gave the best advice.' I suppose looking at it from their angle it is them that have to do the coding so totally agree. And besides anyway, Zen Cart is already pre-written as it now, so we all have to work within the confines of the code handed down to us. So I suppose if Bootstrap is used then its just another thing to work around or with. As you say, the coding won't be an easy task particularly in this case as it's taking Zen Cart up a notch. Probably it's biggest leap, for along while. I was probably 'overthinking' in my reply to this post.

[cvhainb]

a) Bootstrap vs Foundation vs None vs Other (which one?)
- Bootstrap

b) WHY YOU CHOSE THAT ANSWER
- Easy to use because of it supported everything.

c) Are you answering as a storeowner, or as a programmer?
- Programmer.

[bislewl]

Should the next version of Zen Cart use a CSS/grid framework?

PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS .... and talk about both the storefront template AND the Admin:

a) Bootstrap vs Foundation vs None vs Other (which one?)

Bootstrap

b) WHY YOU CHOSE THAT ANSWER

Because there is a large community for bootstrap, and a ton of resources that would help developers create/modify templates. There are more developers that know bootstrap. There are several 3rd party templates that already use bootstrap.

c) Are you answering as a storeowner, or as a programmer?

Programmer

[dw08gm]

As a non-programmer, I would like to know what uses these software will or could be put.

I am aware of a desire to replace certain calendars, but that is about all.

[keneso]

Should the next version of Zen Cart use a CSS/grid framework?

PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS .... and talk about both the storefront template AND the Admin:

a) Bootstrap vs Foundation vs None vs Other (which one?)

b) WHY YOU CHOSE THAT ANSWER

c) Are you answering as a storeowner, or as a programmer?



We're interested in understanding what's best for our community and would like your input on what will help make Zen Cart better for everyone.

I too like others don't think admin should be a concern as reponsiveness; anyhow for your poll purpose:

a) bootstrap
b) purely egoistic reason, I have already done couple templates using bootstrap, hence it'll be more familiar ... to think of it I have done so with foundation as well ...
c) I am answering as an average dummy, I do have a slightly better knowledge than the average user (maybe, not even sure about it), but yet I have a lot to learn, and understand, therefor I think my vote could represent better the average user than that of gurus like DivaVocals, rbarbour, RodG, and the others (sorry for not mentioning you all).

That said I also like http://zengrids.com/ ... and what better than zen for zen? ;)

What I really would like to see in the next version would be the separation of layout (css) from the logic (php), meaning to have all css in the templates, and not having to put hands in files in the modules, or elsewhere.

[DrByte]

Thanks for the feedback.

What I really would like to see in the next version would be the separation of layout (css) from the logic (php), meaning to have all css in the templates, and not having to put hands in files in the modules, or elsewhere.

That's an extremely broad statement. What specific CSS causes you specific problems in PHP files? There are very few places where that even exists, and most of those are for specific reasons. But, without understanding WHAT SPECIFIC place you're referring to (any what you find you need to change in those places), it's hard to target making specific improvements to suit your needs.
Care to elaborate ... with specifics, not generalities?

[keneso]

Thank you for taking it into consideration.

it's hard to target making specific improvements to suit your needs.

I wish I was that important!

Thanks for the feedback.
That's an extremely broad statement. What specific CSS causes you specific problems in PHP files? There are very few places where that even exists, and most of those are for specific reasons. But, without understanding WHAT SPECIFIC place you're referring to (any what you find you need to change in those places)

I totally understand that some of the code has to be the way it is because of technical issues I am unaware of, see my comment (post #7) here:
https://www.zen-cart.com/showthread....s-to-text-area

I agree there aren't many occurances of it, at least the ones I came across when needing to style those specific sections, anyhow as for more specific examples:
modules/product_listing.php
modules/new_products.php
modules/featured_products.php
modules/specials_index.php

With my limited understanding maybe

params' => 'class="

have technical reasons, but

$title = '<h2 class="centerBoxHeading">'

could be moved to the template file?

Again, it is not about me (well, maybe a little ) I have found and did what needed to be done (also with help here), but even if just a handful IMHO they should be moved to template files, and find a workaround also for the params output - hey you are the coders, it's your job, mine is to create problems!.

[mesnitu]

I've changed my mind.

Just saw, and I'm about to use foundation 6.
Foundation vs Bootstrap... can't really tell.

The reasons I've changed my opinion, is that sawing some recent videos about foundation 6, now one can use all that stuff as independent components, and not be trap to probably thousands of lines of code that doesn't use.

So the grid can now be use as a component, much like susy grids or singularitygs. Pretty cool, because one can define layouts with a few lines in scss using the system grid math, media querys and breakpoints, and NOT be digging in files to add classes on elements.

If bootstrap as similar features on the use of independent grid system, then sounds good also.

So, now, using this independent components, I'm moving from susy to foundation, cause I really like other stuff, that I needed to get some other npm. More or less, they're all in the same place.

[DrByte]

I've changed my mind.

Just saw, and I'm about to use foundation 6.
Foundation vs Bootstrap... can't really tell.

The reasons I've changed my opinion, is that sawing some recent videos about foundation 6, now one can use all that stuff as independent components, and not be trap to probably thousands of lines of code that doesn't use.

So the grid can now be use as a component, much like susy grids or singularitygs. Pretty cool, because one can define layouts with a few lines in scss using the system grid math, media querys and breakpoints, and NOT be digging in files to add classes on elements.

If bootstrap as similar features on the use of independent grid system, then sounds good also.

So, now, using this independent components, I'm moving from susy to foundation, cause I really like other stuff, that I needed to get some other npm. More or less, they're all in the same place.

Thanks for the feedback. Indeed, both have compelling reasons for using them.