Hmm.. I'm missing something. I don't have the file ch_categories.php installed because, to my understanding, those three files are only needed if you want all your categories and subcategories to be displaying all at once. If I did that with my real site RedlineStands.com I'd have a menu that was 10 ft tall when you went to the home page. Is the Uncollapsed Categories Tree mod necessary to have a flyout menu? Lastly, am I to understand correct that in order to utilize a flyout menu I must edit the stylesheet_categories_dressing.css and replace all #categories statements with #chcategories? I'm sorry if my questions are stupid. I find this pretty difficult because even though the instructions are well written the lingo is tailored to those who know much more than I. Thanks Glenn; you've been great!