thanks tor vista i appreciatte your advice and the fix to the github release was nice. i just want to get my site up and running and in no way am i expecting a free lunch, im hoping to learn how to code as time progresses ill pick it up but for now im trying to launch a buisness from savings for the year from making cutbacks to survive so my coffers empty but i do have a custom module that may need fixing php tag wise but its running on my site now id be happy to donate. I hired someone from a freelancing site after getting no response from offering to pay for help in the wanted section and he said it needed tweaking but didnt send me the modified install files back so would need checking before using, i had it custom made in 2008 to deliver xbox codes on the order invoice. no idea best way to donate a module but its on offer.... i had thought it could be improved or given an option to add images to save time on manual input/errors ect but makes a good frame work for expansion and brings new functionality to zen too :)