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  1. #1931
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Ok, I am about to use CEON for in a very unique, off-label way. But I have some questions and I'd like some advice/opinions before I do it.

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    SITUATION
    A few years ago, I migrated a client's site to ZC (currently zc154). At some point, I set up Google Webmaster for them. Recently (over the last week), the console has been kicking out tons of 404 Crawl Errors (159, as of just now… was 48 last weekend). A big chunk (80%) of the URL's end with .aspx and go something like this:
    • mydomain.com/contact.aspx
    • mydomain.com/cat-Soldering_Equipment_and_Supplies-17.aspx
    • mydomain.com/cat-Fume_Extraction-76.aspx

    Which means they are legacy links, used to be legit a few years ago.

    When I first received the alert from google that there was an increase of 404's, I was tempted to ignore them. I thought they were just broken incoming links. But when I drilled down on them in the console to find the origin, almost all appeared not to be incoming, rather links found on their site.

    So last night I downloaded their entire db via phpMyAdmin. I found many .asp and .aspx links, but all were legit outbound links. So then I zipped the entire public_html folder, downloaded, and gripped. Again, every instance of asp/aspx was legit.

    This left me very confused. I have no flipping clue how google can say that pages on my site that do NOT exist are linking to other pages on my site that do NOT exist.

    Went bed very late, very frustrated. But woke up with a pretty good solution (maybe?).


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    CAUSATION
    I'm fairly sure that, at some point long ago, I used Ceon to redirect legacy url's to updated ones. My clients recently decided to restructure all URI's using the Ceon mod (commercial version I bought from Conor shortly before he passed). This rebuild broke all the legacy stuff for some reason.


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    SOLUTION
    Ok as I see it, there are two problems. First, external sites are still linking to old pages that no longer exist (legacy). Second, google also seems to be blaming my site as the source of links to these pages that do not exist.

    PART 1
    The second one seems easy enough to fix: I will use robot.txt to place a nofollow:
    User-agent: *
    Disallow: *.asp
    Disallow: *.aspx

    This will tell SE's not to even try to index those old url's. So even if google believes the links are coming from me, it will ignore them.

    PART 2
    If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

    Apparently there are still plenty of external sites supplying old incoming links (I was able to find a few). Rather than try to hunt them all down and beg webmasters to make changes, I'll just line up legacy urls to the current url and insert the legacy uri into the Ceon db for redirect to the current uri.

    This is what I'll do (NOTE: the following tags may differ from the free mod, but the principal should be the same and thus applicable/usable for others who may visit this forum with the same SEO problem). I will:
    1. Open phpMyAdmin and dump the table 'ceon_uri_mappings' as csv.
    2. Open google webmaster console, export 404 url's as csv.
    3. Line up legacy uri's in column next to ceon uri's to get the correct associated_db_id.
    4. Rename legacy column to 'uri' and delete current 'uri' column.
    5. Remove all rows, except the legacy uri's that I want to insert.
    6. Change existing current_uri entry from 1 to 0 (so that ceon redirects).
    7. Import legacy uri file back into ceon_uri_mappings table.

    Now, incoming links will be redirected instead of landing on a Not Found. In theory, external/incoming legacy links will:
    • Regain any SEO strength
    • Not trigger SE 404 errors (????)


    PART 3
    As soon as the two above are finished, I will:
    1. go to the google console and mark all as fixed.
    2. ping SE's for a crawl.
    3. pray real hard that it works! lol


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    QUESTIONS
    Are there any wholes in the PART 2 fix above? Will it cause any problems?

    Should I implement the robot.txt fix? Will that undo the Ceon fix? My thought is that my Disallow of asp extensions will simply stop any following of internal links (just in case something weird is going on that I can't find). But if an SE follows a link in, they will:
    • not get a 404
    • simply get redirected before they can index

    The possible problem would be that maybe the SE bot––upon arrival--maybe see the disallow before the redirect. If that happens, any SEO strength gained from external links could be undone, maybe?

    Anybody see a dif solution to this whole problem? Again, I have searched the entire db and every last text/php/whatever file contained in the public_html, finding no internal links to any of 404 uri's.

    But maybe instead of editing the URI table, there is another way to do this?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated!

  2. #1932
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    One more quick question. Let's say I have a Ceon uri for an EZpage like this:
    /About_Us

    And I change it to:
    /About_Acme_Products_Inc

    Then the first uri becomes legacy and will continue to work, redirecting any visitor the new uri.

    But what kind of redirect occurs? Is it a 301 permanent redirect?

  3. #1933
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Hello,

    I just wanted to say , I love this plugin and it makes things so much nicer looking.

    I am noticing two versions of links in google search from some of my products.

    example : I sell a Netgear ac adapter model AD8180LF. When i search for that product, I get the old link for the non module version and the new version with the SEO links.

    Will i be penalized by google for this in my search ranking ? Having two links that go to the same place like that ? Will this count and duplicate links ?

  4. #1934
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonshanks View Post
    Hello,

    I just wanted to say , I love this plugin and it makes things so much nicer looking.

    I am noticing two versions of links in google search from some of my products.

    example : I sell a Netgear ac adapter model AD8180LF. When i search for that product, I get the old link for the non module version and the new version with the SEO links.

    Will i be penalized by google for this in my search ranking ? Having two links that go to the same place like that ? Will this count and duplicate links ?
    Apparently at some point your store did not have user friendly URIs and now it does after those were indexed... So, allow me to offer this thought, if you were to be penalized, wouldn't it already have been applied? Not exactly a, on Tuesday we regrade type event...

    On the flip side, the expectation, without getting into a huge discussion that has been had multiple times in this thread and many others, is that both (or however many) addresses resolve to the same canonical address... This is something to tell the SEs, hey you might have gotten here 5 ways to Sunday, but I'm the same thing for all versions and I know this it is by design to get here from all those addresses, it's not like I'm trying to dupe the customers or SEs.

    And one thing about CEON URIs is that you can "move" the product from URI to other URI and at any one time if you maintain the database instead of using a series of .htaccess rules, there is always at most one jump from the address provided to the address chosen by the store owner. So there's no redirect of a redirect of a redirect, oops that one's caught in a loop redirect issue...

    I would also like to say that I am no SEO "expert" and am applying what has been considered by others to be good (acceptable?) product/URI management.
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  5. #1935
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    With version 4.5 of CEON and Zen Cart 1.5.4, I'm seeing the following errors when copying a product. When can be done?

    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::regexpReplace() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.CeonURIMappingAdmin.php on line 561
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::convertCharset() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 879
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::toLowercase() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 112
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::toLowercase() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 113
    ...

  6. #1936
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Quote Originally Posted by tpbeck View Post
    With version 4.5 of CEON and Zen Cart 1.5.4, I'm seeing the following errors when copying a product. When can be done?

    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::regexpReplace() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.CeonURIMappingAdmin.php on line 561
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::convertCharset() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 879
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::toLowercase() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 112
    [27-Feb-2016 13:24:53] PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method String::toLowercase() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/vhosts/learnhomeopathynow.com/httpdocs/shop/includes/classes/class.String.php on line 113
    ...
    Not experiencing this type of error when creating copy of products so far... Have tried, link copying as well as duplication of product with attributes as well... Please explain what process is being used for duplication, also what is the URI for the product downstream of the path to your site. What are the other conditions? PHP version? Etc...
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Will this current version of Ceon URI mapping work with the latest zen cart version 1.5.5? Any thoughts?
    Cheers
    Terry

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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSpinnaker View Post
    Will this current version of Ceon URI mapping work with the latest zen cart version 1.5.5? Any thoughts?
    Cheers
    Terry
    "Work" and contain the latest changes/upgrades to underlying processing are two different things. An update including the suggested security updates and further ZC 1.5.5 compatibility are expected relatively soon. But haven't tried installing pretty much anything with ZC 1.5.5 uet as trying to resolve some other related issues.
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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Chad - You know I love you, but I am confused with what you said.... lol

    I am getting ready to do a 1.5.5 upgrade to a site that has this mod... so is the current version compatible with 1.5.5? Or should I just upgrade the customer to 1.5.4?

    Quote Originally Posted by mc12345678 View Post
    "Work" and contain the latest changes/upgrades to underlying processing are two different things. An update including the suggested security updates and further ZC 1.5.5 compatibility are expected relatively soon. But haven't tried installing pretty much anything with ZC 1.5.5 uet as trying to resolve some other related issues.

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    Default Re: Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

    Quote Originally Posted by stellarweb View Post
    Chad - You know I love you, but I am confused with what you said.... lol

    I am getting ready to do a 1.5.5 upgrade to a site that has this mod... so is the current version compatible with 1.5.5? Or should I just upgrade the customer to 1.5.4?
    Can not advise on how to progress with customer. I have not tested on ZC 1.5.5. As is will not work on PHP 7.0. There is also a change to the ZC core code for canonical URIs that needs review to ensure that the addtional features implemented were not already/previously addressed in one way or another.

    Otherwise, I haven't seen any changes to the ZC core code that would prevent operation. (The November security alerts from 2015 should be applied when merging the changes of this code to the ZC 1.5.5 code.)
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