Thanks Jade - that is really awesome. I'll try those other changes but guess what? My host actually installed version 1.3.6 of Zencart and the database is version 1.3.6 too so I expect thats the problem. Man I'm a bit miffed about that eh. So now I'll need to upgrade but I'm thinking I will remove everything and start again from scratch with a fresh install of 1.3.7 and then use your Apple Zen 1.5 version as well. I have all my customisations in a custom folder (I hope I haven't changed any core files). Do you think thats the best plan?