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24 May 2010, 10:08 PM
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conor:

Hi,

The module does not return random results.

I have seen this behaviour on a site before. The problem was the database server on the host not being in sync (they used some sort of "cloud" server).

You are also using an old version of the module.. you should always upgrade to the latest version of a module if you are having trouble!

The new 3.4.0 will be out later today so you should upgrade to that today.. I'll post back here when it has been released.

Unfortunately though, my gut feeling is that even after installing the latest version things will remain the same. In which case you'll have no choice but to pay someone to find and fix your server issues.

All the best...

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Conor, as advised I have upgraded the CEON URI Module to version 3.4.2.

However I still have site navigation problems.

As before, sometimes the site navigation works ok, but other times, clicking a link displays a different seemingly random page.

Pressing F5 sometimes displays the correct page, sometimes does not.

I am at a complete loss as to how to resolve this and it is losing me business from the site. Many customers have also reported the problem.

I have spoken to the hosting company (JSWeb) and they say that the problem is not their servers but the CEON module. I am getting passed back and forwards.

JSWeb suggest I should change the SEO URL module, but I really dont want to do this unless there is no other option.

JSWeb not using a cloud computing model but load balanced servers.

They said that it could be my .htaccess file. it is below (couldnt attach it) could you please check that it looks ok.

NOTE: Replace /shop/ with the relative web path of your catalog in the "Rewrite Base" line below:

Options +FollowSymLinks

RewriteBase /

RewriteEngine On

Don't rewrite any URIs ending with a file extension (ending with .[xxxx])

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !.[a-zA-Z]{2,4}$

Don't rewrite admin directory

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/admin.* [NC]

Don't rewrite editors directory

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/editors.* [NC]

Don't rewrite payment pages/callback handlers

(Won't be rewritten by rules above but included here in case rewriting of URIs ending in .php is added)

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/ipn_main_handler.php.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/iridium_3d_secure_iframe.php.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/localities_remote_loader.php.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/nochex_apc_handler.php.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/protx_direct_3d_secure_iframe.php.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/realex_remote_3d_secure_iframe.php.* [NC]

Don't rewrite cPanel directories

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !/cpanel.* [NC]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !/frontend.* [NC]

Handle all other URIs using Zen Cart (index.php)

RewriteRule (.*) index.php?%{QUERY_STRING} [L]

Please advise

Many thanks

David

24 May 2010, 10:20 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

"Load balanced" tends to suggest that internally there's multiple versions of the site, that they are not quite in sync with each other, and that the effect is seen because visitors are connected to a random server each time.

In other news, 3.4.2 is ancient history and 3.6.1 is the current version. If nothing else check out the newer version of the .htaccess file with a number of syntax improvements and efficiency gains.

25 May 2010, 1:54 AM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

davidmorrisuk:

As before, sometimes the site navigation works ok, but other times, clicking a link displays a different seemingly random page.

Pressing F5 sometimes displays the correct page, sometimes does not.

Sorry if Im stating the obvious, but perhaps you're browser (and many of your customers browsers) have cached the old pages?

Its possible that the issue will disappear over time, as each browser refreshes its content.

If you're on a PC, try CTRL + F5 as the good ole 'forced refresh' (reloads everything) and see if that helps?

-Scott.

25 May 2010, 2:01 AM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

g1smd:

"Load balanced" tends to suggest that internally there's multiple versions of the site, that they are not quite in sync with each other, and that the effect is seen because visitors are connected to a random server each time.:yes: I'm fairly certain the OP will have the SAME or similar issue with another SEO module. Ceon URI is (IMO) the only module that just works correctly from the JUMP and the only REAL work required to make it work is setting up the .htaccess file correctly.. Plus it is better supported by it's author than others which are only either partially supported, or failing and not supported at all..

g1smd:

In other news, 3.4.2 is ancient history and 3.6.1 is the current version. If nothing else check out the newer version of the .htaccess file with a number of syntax improvements and efficiency gains.:yes: OP should definitely upgrade..

25 May 2010, 1:12 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Many thanks for all of your suggestions. I have however previously upgraded the module five times but the issue remains the same.

I will upgrade to 3.6.1 but dont hold out much hope that it will cure the issue !

I will also update the .htaccess file which I assume is included in 3.6.1

David

25 May 2010, 1:23 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi David,

davidmorrisuk:

Many thanks for all of your suggestions. I have however previously upgraded the module five times but the issue remains the same.

Yes, I'd imagine it will as this problem is not a problem with the module. As I said, it can't return random results, that's an impossibility.

The only thing that can be happening is that your host's MySQL server is returning **different **results for the **same **query.

That would suggest different data being present in different "instances" (I don't know the terminology I'm afraid) of the load balanced servers.

davidmorrisuk:

I will also update the .htaccess file which I assume is included in 3.6.1

Yes, your .htaccess file is well out of date, the new one is that little bit more efficient. It won't affect the issues you're having though.. only your host can sort those issues out.

All the best..

Conor
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25 May 2010, 2:31 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

davidmorrisuk:

Many thanks for all of your suggestions. I have however previously upgraded the module five times but the issue remains the same.

I will upgrade to 3.6.1 but dont hold out much hope that it will cure the issue !

I will also update the .htaccess file which I assume is included in 3.6.1

David
I agree with Conor, though I am not a programmer, after years of working in software development I do understand how software works.. Looking at Ceon URI's backend, the issue you are describing CANNOT possibly be caused by the Ceon URI module.. The way Ceon URI works cannot cause the issues you are describing..

If your host INSISTS that this module (Ceon URI) is the cause of your issues, then they should help you resolve this by providing more CONCRETE data than they have been provided to back up this assertion (which I will guess they will not be able to do). If they are so sure that this module is the cause, they should be able to provide a SPECIFIC reason why they've come to that conclusion..

Good luck..

25 May 2010, 2:40 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi,

DivaVocals:

I agree with Conor, though I am not a programmer, after years of working in software development I do understand how software works.. Looking at Ceon URI's backend, the issue you are describing CANNOT possibly be caused by the Ceon URI module.. The way Ceon URI works cannot cause the issues you are describing..

Yes, that's strangely one of the things about computing that once you grasp you really do become much better at fixing problems.. computers can't do random.. it's an impossibility (well, outside of hardware failure).. as mathematical machines everything is inherently predictable... so if "unexpected" results are occurring then what is happening is simply not what you thought was happening, the process isn't what you thought it was/is! :)

DivaVocals:

If your host INSISTS that this module (Ceon URI) is the cause of your issues, then they should help you resolve this by providing more CONCRETE data than they have been provided to back up this assertion (which I will guess they will not be able to do).

They absolutely can't as the data is irrelevant in this case.. the same "SELECT" query/command should always return the same results.. different results means different data is being examined.

I'd imagine once the load balanced servers are properly put in sync this problem will have been fixed.

All the best..

Conor
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25 May 2010, 3:06 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi Conor I know I read this somewhere on the thread but since all the updates I will ask it again. It I already have an online store with 1000's of products will this module automatically Manage URL Aliases for me or just when you add a new product. In other words do I have to set my product manually in my store to point to the URL I want it to use. Thank You

25 May 2010, 3:44 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

countrycharm:

Hi Conor I know I read this somewhere on the thread but since all the updates I will ask it again. It I already have an online store with 1000's of products will this module automatically Manage URL Aliases for me or just when you add a new product. In other words do I have to set my product manually in my store to point to the URL I want it to use. Thank YouIf you have an existing store, you will have to generate the URLs for each product when you first implement Ceon URI.. That's the bad news..** BUT** if you are comfortable working directly in your database, you can upload all of your initial product URIs directly into the database.. (This is what I have done for two existing sites with large numbers of products) AND you can upload the URLS your product are currently using/generating using SSU so that you don't lose any SEO momentum.. After the initial URI population, if you have the settings configured to use the auto-generation of Ceon URI, then your URIs will be generated as you crate new products/categories...

25 May 2010, 4:08 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Conor, I'm in the process of upgrading to v3.6.1 of the URI Mapping module and have a teeny suggestion for the future installation.

For ZC v1.3.9b, the install overwrites /includes/init_includes/init_canonical.php ... but it doesn't have to! If you place your version of the file in /includes/init_includes/overrides/init_canonical.php, the standard ZC loader will use that version instead of the default.

25 May 2010, 4:27 PM
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DivaVocals:

If you have an existing store, you will have to generate the URLs for each product when you first implement Ceon URI.. That's the bad news..** BUT** if you are comfortable working directly in your database, you can upload all of your initial product URIs directly into the database.. (This is what I have done for two existing sites with large numbers of products) AND you can upload the URLS your product are currently using/generating using SSU so that you don't lose any SEO momentum.. After the initial URI population, if you have the settings configured to use the auto-generation of Ceon URI, then your URIs will be generated as you crate new products/categories...

Thank You I will have to think about this for a while. I don't mind working in my database at all. I need to figure out how to go about the process first. I use Simple Seo with no problems, but I thought I would look into Conors since there is a little more support and no big cache files to be cached on my sever. Thank You again

25 May 2010, 4:58 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi,

lat9:

If you place your version of the file in /includes/init_includes/overrides/init_canonical.php

Argh, I thought I'd done that. Obviously I haven't. I've also missed another file which is supposed to be in /includes/init_includes/overrides

Will have to get version 3.6.2 created and out soon then.

It never ends!

(As you can see in the installation docs, the file includes/init_includes/init_ceon_uri_mapping.php is listed in both "new files" and "updated core files"... that wasn't supposed to be!).

All the best..

Conor
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25 May 2010, 5:08 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

countrycharm:

Thank You I will have to think about this for a while. I don't mind working in my database at all. I need to figure out how to go about the process first. I use Simple Seo with no problems, but I thought I would look into Conors since there is a little more support and no big cache files to be cached on my sever. Thank You againYou're welcome.. For the sites I did this to, I used a spreadsheet to manage/setup the URIs. Then I simply uploaded the complete spreadsheet to the correct table..

25 May 2010, 5:22 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

conor:

Will have to get version 3.6.2 created and out soon then.
It never ends!

dont worry kidda, my brother in law wants me to do him a site in the next few weeks... another 50 notes wing its way to you!
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25 May 2010, 5:38 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

I understand that I can add some file exclusion at the .htaccess file to prevent or allow some files being remapped. I had installed the google base feeder onto my cart, and everytime I run the feeder it will give me some error message.

I understand that it may be caused by the URI mapping addon, as it does give me a positive reply when I am disabling the remapping module.

Can you provide me with a head start on how to add a statement at the .htaccess file to prevent the googlefroogle.php being processed by the remapping module?

Thanks a lot.

25 May 2010, 7:47 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi,

diverpeter:

Can you provide me with a head start on how to add a statement at the .htaccess file to prevent the googlefroogle.php being processed by the remapping module

All the information you need is in the documentation. I've really done my best to make it as easy to read as possible, it's the "head start" you need! :)

Look in the section "Ensuring 100% Compatibility with Third Party Zen Cart Modules - Specifying Individual Files to be Excluded from URI Mapping"

The file you are looking to exclude appears to be /googlefroogle.php.

All the best..

Conor
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25 May 2010, 8:56 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi,

Unfortunately a file was missing from the previous version of Ceon URI Mapping and a file for Zen Cart 1.3.9 was in the wrong folder. Subsequently version 3.6.2 has been released with the correct files/paths and updated documentation.

Everyone must upgrade!

Versions prior to 3.6.2 are no longer supported for free by Ceon.

Sorry about the mistakes in packaging the recent versions!

From the Revision History:

[BUGFIX] Modified version of breadcrumb core file was missing from the distribution.

[BUGFIX] Modified version of canonical core file was in the wrong folder in the distribution - should have been in the init_includes overrides folder instead of the main init_includes folder.

[UPDATED] Minor documentation updates (including the correction of the incorrect information regarding the canonical override file).

Upgrading should only take a few minutes. For those using 3.6.1 and Zen Cart 1.3.9 you simply need to copy the init_canonical.php file into the overrides directory and to copy the new init_add_crumbs.php file into the same overrides directory.

For anyone using different versions please follow the upgrade instructions in full. Again it should only take a few minutes!

Please read the previous announcements and/or the Revision History to find out about all the changes in the recent versions.


Download 3.6.2 now!

If this is (hopefully) the final version then it should also be available from the downloads area soon.

Enjoy!

All the best...

Conor
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26 May 2010, 5:07 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

I thought i would message you before carrying on my investigations to see if you had a quick fix solution or had come across this issue before.

I'm using the latest version of you SEO Mod and have never had any issues before however this time i just can not seem to spot the problem. We currently use your site on a large number of website so when i found this error i have been left a little stumped.

Basically if you go to this page rusticplayland . com / Playgrounds
and try and view the next page it seems to stick on the first page product listings - i was wondering if you have had this error before?

The same sticking error is also happening on the "playground games" & "playground markings" sections.

As i said before i have never had this happen before so if you have any pointers that would be fantastic.

Regards

26 May 2010, 5:17 PM
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Re: Ceon URI Mapping (SEO)

Hi,

Glad you like the software enough that you use it on lots of sites!

britnet:

As i said before i have never had this happen before so if you have any pointers that would be fantastic.

Sorry but I don't know what you've done wrong, pagination works fine here.

Try installing the software again from scratch.

Hope that helps!

All the best..

Conor