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2 Jan 2011, 10:04 PM
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Hi Rod

RodG:

I've just (re)checked, and 4012 is definitely now identified as being inside the next day delivery network, so I can only guess that it was the destination postcode that was outside (apparently).

For my tests, I used postcodes 3000 (Melbourne) and 5555 (Ashford).
Only the quote to 5555 indicated that it was outside the express network.

You seem to have fixed the problem from the origin post code ie 4102 but there is still a problem at the destination end.

For example, from Brisbane (4012) the Express Network to Melbourne includes a range of post codes including 3000-3210; 3335-3338 plus several others incl Geelong and Ballarat.

In my test: 3000 (Melb CBD) and 3350 (Ballarat) were seen as Express but 3211 (Little River), 3220 (Bareena), 3182 (St Kilda) 3183 (Balaclava) 3168 (Clayton) are seen by the module as outside the Express Network. 5000 works too but not 5015 (Port Adelaide) or 5045 (Glenelg).

Maybe there is a problem with the coding of the ranges?

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3 Jan 2011, 5:41 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Arliss61:

Maybe there is a problem with the coding of the ranges?

I've just added the remaining data tables.
If anything, any further errors will fail 'the other way' now, meaning that it is more likely to indicate next day deliverty IS possible in some cases where it may not be possible. Until now the default 'fail' mode was to indicate next day isn't possible, when in fact it was.

If you do spot any erronious exceptions please let me know and I'll see what I can do to rectify them.

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3 Jan 2011, 7:45 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod, I have upgraded without any problems (Am I jinxing myself typing this!) I also investigated the insurance/registered post scripts you replied with and decided to go with disabling regular parcel post for parcels. However there is still one dilemma, How can we force customers who are purchasing over teh $100 insurance level of registered post so that they have to pay for registered AND insured post? Otherwise the insurance provided with Registered post wont cover all of the purchase.

I am really reluctant to do this, it add so much more work to our postage process, but I am also so sick and tired of people complaining of not receiving parcels, not allowing enough time etc etc and we cant track regular post.

Last month a customer was threatening us with their lawyers! They chose regular post, not us!

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3 Jan 2011, 11:44 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

Hi Rod, I have upgraded without any problems (Am I jinxing myself typing this!)

Nah. Upgrades are easy, and if you do mess it up you would know immediately.

jazzah:

I also investigated the insurance/registered post scripts you replied with and decided to go with disabling regular parcel post for parcels. However there is still one dilemma, How can we force customers who are purchasing over teh $100 insurance level of registered post so that they have to pay for registered AND insured post? Otherwise the insurance provided with Registered post wont cover all of the purchase.

The quotes for insured items include the registered post costs, so if/when the regular parcels are disabled, the only quote provided will/should be either the registered post (which includes up to $100 insurance), OR if the value is over $100, the insured post, which includes the required $2.95 registration fee.

If for some reason yours is behaing differently then it is probably a bug that got introduced somewhere along the line.

jazzah:

sick and tired of people complaining of not receiving parcels, not allowing enough time etc etc and we cant track regular post.

Last month a customer was threatening us with their lawyers! They chose regular post, not us!

Cheers
Jazzah

Although regular post can't be tracked, what we used to do (when we were heaviliy into sales) was to ensure we kept records (and postal reciepts) for all sales, so if there was ever any problem at least we had something to show the customer that we posted an item weighing XXXgms on the day we said we did, and to their postcode - No, it didn't solve the problem of missing parcels, but it did increase the 'mood' of the customers in that it left very little doubt that it DID go missing in the mail, rather than never posted at all. Needless to say, if the destination postcode is in a capital city then this proof isn't as compelling, but I think it the nature of eCommerce that most of our sales were NOT to capital cities, but more likely to be country sales, where they don't have the same physical shoppong facilities.. All generally speaking of course.

Meanwhile, I also suggest that you ensure you place a claim for each missing item, no matter how large or small, because the more items reported missing, the sooner they are likely to find the thief doing it.

Mail going astray occasionally is to be expected for all manner of reasons, but if it is consitantly going missing to/from certain destinations you can be sure it is the work of an isolated employee/contractor, and THIS is where you should be venting your frustrations, rather than at your customers for choosing non trackable shipping methods.

ANYWAY, sorry about the rant, and hopefully you now realise you don't need to worry about registration AND insurance, because the insurance quotes already include the registration fees. :-)

OTOH, if I have misunderstood your question/problem please try again (I can be slow on the uptake at times).

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22 Jan 2011, 7:17 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

RodG:

..... V2.2.0 UPGRADE.txt ....................

Also check for any new icons. Anytime a new method is added

Ok so I have broken it, I have uploaded the icons in every single icon folder on our server and they are not showing? :unsure:

Not sure what to do now!

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22 Jan 2011, 9:13 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

Ok so I have broken it, I have uploaded the icons in every single icon folder on our server and they are not showing? :unsure:

First question: What version are you upgrading to/from? The post that I'm replying to is indicating that you are trying to upgrade from V?.?.? to V2.2.0.

The latest release is V2.2.1

Second question. Where in the installation/upgrade instructions does it state you need to upload the icons to every icon folder on the server?

Now for the (hopefully) helpfull stuff.

If using V2.2.0 OR BELOW the icons need to be located in the
/includes/templates/template_default/images/icons/ folder

If using V2.2.1 (the latest update), the icons need to be relocated into a **NEW **folder at images/icons/ozpost/

DON'T place them directly into the images/icons folder, you must create the 'ozpost' folder and place them in there. If this is confusing simply forget everything I've just stated and just use the exact same file structure as the distribution files, don't try to manually select where things go..

If the icons are located in
/includes/templates/template_default/images/icons/ in the ZIP file then they NEED to go into the exact same file path on your server.
If they are located in images//icons/ in the ZIP file then they NEED to go into the images//icons/ folder on your server, and if they are located in images/icons/ozpost in the ZIP file then they NEED to go into the images/icons/ozpost folder on your server.
If the folder 'ozpost' doesn't exist on your server it will be automatically created when you copy the images/ folder to your server (assuming you are using filezilla)...

I suspect that you are probably making it hard for yourself by 'manually' selecting what and where to upload the files, where in practice you only need to select the top level folders and all will be sweet.

With V2.2.0 and below there were only two top level folders, "admin", and "includes".
With V2.2.1 there are three of them "admin", "includes" and 'images'.

If you already have a working ozpost installation you will NOT need to re-upload the "admin" folder contents (although it won't harm anything if you do), so to upgrade, select the two FOLDERS "images" and "includes" and upload them to the top level folder of your store.

If you are selecting the individual files to upload rather than the top level folders then you are doing it wrong and simply asking for trouble,

Does this help or does it add to any confusion?

Cheers
Rod

22 Jan 2011, 11:30 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Oh Damn, it is too late my brain is fried, the programmer is fixing it for me. The simple things are not always the easiest! lol

thanks for your help Rod, and yes I was just updating from the previous version.

23 Jan 2011, 5:28 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

The simple things are not always the easiest!

If you have any suggestions for anything that I can do to make it easier for you then please provide them, but for the life of me, I really can't see how or why you apparently have so much of a problem.

Perhaps your next comment provides a clue

jazzah:

and yes I was just updating from the previous version.

I can understand that this statement makes a lot of sense to you, but if you think about it, it is a nonsensical response to my question....

"What version are you upgrading to/from? The post that I'm replying to is indicating that you are trying to upgrade from V?.?.? to V2.2.0. "

This, to me ia a very specific question that should have resulted in a very specific answer along the line of "I was just upgrading from v2.2.0 to V2.2.1"
The response "I was just updating from the previous version" is nonsensical because

  1. No one is ever going to update from a future version.
    2.The use of 'previous' implies that both you and I know what the current version is, and according to your 1st post you were upgradrading to V2.2.0 which isn't the current version.

Why I am suggesting that this may be a clue to why you have so many problems is because it seems to me that you seem to view the installation instructions as being as vague as your own comments, rather than the exact/specific instructions that they are ... This is why you end up doing things like " uploaded the icons in every single icon folder on our server".

You are not an idiot, and your brain isn't fried (no matter how much you try to convince me otherwise), I think you are just being lazy. Nothing wrong with that. I'm lazy too, so please don't be offended. Over the years I have earned a lot of money from people lazier than myself (haven't we all?)

Cheers
Rod

ps. Have you ever considered setting up a zencart installation on your home computer and using that to practice any upgrades and/or modifications? Such a setup is also great for testing new modules too (no risk to your live server).

23 Jan 2011, 6:12 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod, it is all fixed now. I was upgrading from 2.2.0 to 2.2.1 I followed the upgrade instructions that you posted, and did not realize the images needed to be placed in a new folder. Then I could not figure out where the new folder needed to be created. I have said this before, I can try to do upgrades, but am in very unfamiliar territory and can stuff it up easily as well. I did the previous upgrade myself with no issues. Oh well, our programmer gets some extra $ from me this month!

Cheers
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23 Jan 2011, 7:48 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

I followed the upgrade instructions that you posted,

Well, no you didn't. THAT is the problem.

jazzah:

and did not realize the images needed to be placed in a new folder.

The upgrade instructions were very clear about this, in my opinion.


V2.2.0 to V2.2.1
You need to replace the /includes/modules/shipping/ozpost.php file
(and perform the remove/install process).
All ozpost icons/graphics need to be relocated into their own folder at
images/icons/ozpost/

jazzah:

Then I could not figure out where the new folder needed to be created.

There was nothing to "figure out".... "They need to be located into their own folder at images/icons/ozpost/"

PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU. HOW COULD I REWRITE THE ABOVE INSTRUCTIONS IN A WAY THAT WOULD NOT HAVE CONFUSED YOU!

Tell me this and I'll happlily re-write things so the people such as yourself will not have a problem following it in the future. HELP ME HELP YOU!!!

jazzah:

I have said this before, I can try to do upgrades, but am in very unfamiliar territory and can stuff it up easily as well.

And it is MY task to write the instructions in a clear and consise manner so that people such as yourself don't have these kinds of problems.
I HAVE FAILED!!! Please help !!!!!

THIS IS NOT AN IDLE REQUEST. I hate that some people have problems with these updates. I hate it even more when I find that people are parting with hard earned money when there is no need for them to do so. I usually pride myself on the fact that I can explain things to most people.
I even have the australian Cert IV in Training and assessment, not to mention completing several VET courses covering things such as 'creating technical documentation' and 'creating USER documentation',
yet all this seems to be of no value whatsover....

Two steps... That is all that was needed, and was explained as follows..

  1. You need to replace the /includes/modules/shipping/ozpost.php file
  2. All ozpost icons/graphics need to be relocated into their own folder at
    images/icons/ozpost/

Where/how did I go wrong? please, please, please; now that you know what is/was required I again will ask you to re-write those two steps in a way that will not confuse you with future updates. I realise that future updates may have different instructions, but If I know what you need then I'll be able to adapt to suit YOU.

What else can I do?

Cheers
Rod

23 Jan 2011, 9:56 PM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod, I followed the instructions that I requested in a post about how to upgrade, I did not read the instructions page that was included in the download. My fault!!

I will ask my programmer where he located the file of images, maybe then I can see how I got it wrong.

But I have another issue now. A while ago you provided some code to add a day to Fastway, as we are in outer Melbourne and they take an extra day. My programmer is now saying

"tell him you need it for the latest ozpost version, that specific piece of code he posted that should be replaced doesn't exist
the command does but not for the fastway method
this command "case "FWL";" exists
but the whole piece of code

case "FWL";
if(in_array("FastWay Labels", $this->allowed_methods)) $handlingFee = MODULE_SHIPPING_OZPOST_FWL_HANDLING ;
break;

case "FWS":
if(in_array("FastWay Satchel", $this->allowed_methods)) $handlingFee = MODULE_SHIPPING_OZPOST_FWS_HANDLING ;
break;

doesn't."

Would you be able to assist?

Thanks
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24 Jan 2011, 1:31 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

Hi Rod, I followed the instructions that I requested in a post about how to upgrade, I did not read the instructions page that was included in the download.

Same instructions.

jazzah:

I will ask my programmer where he located the file of images, maybe then I can see how I got it wrong.

No need to ask. I can tell you... he placed them in the location that I keep specifying. namely. in images/icons/ozpost.
I know this as fact, because they simply won't load from anywhere else.

jazzah:

But I have another issue now. A while ago you provided some code to add a day to Fastway, as we are in outer Melbourne and they take an extra day. My programmer is now saying

"tell him you need it for the latest ozpost version, that specific piece of code he posted that should be replaced doesn't exist

Wow! This peice of code hasn't existed since V2.0.9 ,,, That's four versions ago!!

jazzah:

Would you be able to assist?

Sure. Tell him to look for the line that reads:

$estimateddays = $quote->days ;

Then immediatly after that add something like

if ( substr($quote->id, 0, 2) == "FW") $estimateddays = $estimateddays + 1 ;


IMPORTANT: For this to work you MUST select "days" for the Estimated Delivery Format. If you wish to use the 'date' format your programmer will need to manipulate the date string, which is a little more difficult.

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27 Jan 2011, 11:40 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

centaur:

I have clients refering to me that they cannot purchase by post - When I checked, I have this message
"Ozpost.net subscription expired 4 Days ago"

If you are a host/devoloper with 3 or more clients (using ozpost) please PM me.

centaur:

I can't remember subscribing to anything, and I have been using your module for years
Please can you tell me whats happened, and if there are any changes.

Thank you

ozpost.net went to a subscription based format last July. There is a 60 day automatic subscription from the first time the module is used.

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27 Jan 2011, 8:08 PM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

I looked at this module couple of months agto when setting up my site. Searched hi and low for pricing and i could not find anything on how much per month or what percentages were taken from each sale.

Figured if someone designed it and wasnt making this information easily acceptable then theres more to it and havent thought twice about it.

I trawled through this forum trying to find the information and even when asked directly no answer was still given.

What is the go. Im struggling with the current shipping modules need something that will offer shipping and a delivery option for me to hand deliver items locally.

Finding the whole process frustrating and near im[possible to get the information i need to make an informed decision

28 Jan 2011, 5:41 AM
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RyanK:

I looked at this module couple of months agto when setting up my site. Searched hi and low for pricing and i could not find anything on how much per month or what percentages were taken from each sale.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to look at the ozpost.net website?

RyanK:

Figured if someone designed it and wasnt making this information easily acceptable then theres more to it and havent thought twice about it.

In other words, you are far more interested in how much it costs rather than whether it is going to be suitable for your needs.
You also figured wrong. This info is/was just 2 clicks away in your admin control panel.

RyanK:

I trawled through this forum trying to find the information and even when asked directly no answer was still given.

I'll be nice this time and make no further comment about this claim, but please don't ever feed me billshot again. I WILL take you to task on it and you will end up being publically embarrased and you will call me all sorts of nasty names... Stick with facts and we'll get on just fine :-)

RyanK:

What is the go. Im struggling with the current shipping modules need something that will offer shipping and a delivery option for me to hand deliver items locally.

Could you better explain what you mean? What kind of 'shipping' are you looking at? Do you wish to price your shipping cost based on weight? per Item? by Distance? By location? by Coutierr? ALL of these? How about some items by weight, others by pickup only?

What I'm saying is that shipping quotes is a complex process, so it isn't much of a surprise for some people to struggle with it, and this is also why there are so many different shipping modules/methods. No two stores are alike, there is no one solution that suits everyone, and more often than not you will need to make a compromise between what you would like and what is actually possible,

RyanK:

Finding the whole process frustrating and near im[possible to get the information i need to make an informed decision

Frankly I don't see how knowing the subscription costs is going to help you make an informed decision about whether ozpost it is suitable for your needs or not, which is why you get to try it for a full 2 months before even thinking about offering mandatory ongoing financial support.

Anyway, this is also not the place to discuss the pros/cons/costs of commercial software/subscription services, which is really the only reason I avoid mentioning them here. They are readily available on the server site itself.

This forum/thread is here to support users of the ozpost module. If/when you decide to give it another go and you need help/support then please feel free to ask , otherwise you are simply wasting everyones time, including your own.

Rgds
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31 Jan 2011, 12:35 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod, I have a parcel that is coming out as
Calculated: Length=29.00cm, Width=25.00cm, Height=2.50cm, Weight=1gms, NumBoxes=1

but it is allowing 500gm satchel that wont fit that size. I have not selected restrain dimensions or use core weight.

Also how can I stop it from showing the larger satchels when they are way too big?

Thanks
Jazzah

Here is the rest of the debug info

Parcel under 250gm</description></quote><quote><id>RPPi</id><cost>7.50</cost><days>2</days><description>Insured Parcel under 250gm</description></quote><quote><id>REG</id><cost>7.50</cost><days>2</days><description>Registered Parcel under 250gm</description></quote><quote><id>EXP</id><cost>8.40</cost><days>1</days><description>Express Parcel under 500gm</description></quote><quote><id>PPS3</id><cost>10.30</cost><days>1</days><description>3Kg Satchel</description></quote><quote><id>EXPi</id><cost>11.35</cost><days>1</days><description>Insured Express Parcel under 500gm</description></quote><quote><id>PPSE3</id><cost>11.70</cost><days>1</days><description>3Kg Express Satchel</description></quote><quote><id>PLT</id><cost>12.30</cost><days>1</days><description>Platinum Parcel under 500gm</description></quote><quote><id>PPSE3XL</id><cost>14.60</cost><days>1</days><description>3kg XL Express Satchel</description></quote><quote><id>COD</id><cost>15.05</cost><days>2</days><description>Cash On Delivery </description></quote><quote><id>PLTi</id><cost>15.25</cost><days>1</days><description>Insured Platinum Parcel under 500gm</description></quote><quote><id>PPSP3</id><cost>16.30</cost><days>1</days><description>3Kg Platinum Satchel</description></quote><quote><id>PPSE5K</id><cost>19.10</cost><days>1</days><description>5kg Express Satchel</description></quote><quote><id>PPSE5KXL</id><cost>21.15</cost><days>1</days><description>5kg XL Express Satchel</description></quote><information>

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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

Hi Rod, I have a parcel that is coming out as
Calculated: Length=29.00cm, Width=25.00cm, Height=2.50cm, Weight=1gms, NumBoxes=1

but it is allowing 500gm satchel that wont fit that size.

Why Not?

1gm is less than 500gm
29cm is less than 353cm
25cm is less than 220cm

jazzah:

Also how can I stop it from showing the larger satchels when they are way too big?

Did you read the changes.txt and/or configuration.txt files?

There have been changes made to the way Satchels are quoted as a result of discussions earlier in this thread. If you prefer the old behaviour you need to select ALL satchels (which will cause the server to return only the most suitable satchel). The other option is for you to disable the larger satchels.

This current code isn't set in stone, and the problem we are trying to fix has taken a fair bit of thought as to how to fix it for those that have it, without breaking it for everyone else... The current code does achieve this, but it also has this unwanted site effect which poses its own problems because the side effect is essentially what was needed to fix the original problem.

If you (or anyone else) have any ideas or suggestions as to how I can make a better fix then I'm all ears...

Cheers
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31 Jan 2011, 8:57 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

RodG:

Why Not?

1gm is less than 500gm
29cm is less than 353cm
25cm is less than 220cm

Hi Rod, what are the dimensions used for the 500gm satchel? The last time I did a maths class, 25 cms was not less that 22cms? Has that changed?

Jazzah

31 Jan 2011, 9:01 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

[quote=RodG;989423] If you prefer the old behaviour you need to select ALL satchels (which will cause the server to return only the most suitable satchel). /quote]

Damn that stuffs me up as we don't use regular post anymore, it must be express or registered so there is some tracking. Also we don't have the Xl satchels.....not sure what to do now.

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Re: ozpost shipping module

jazzah:

Hi Rod, what are the dimensions used for the 500gm satchel? The last time I did a maths class, 25 cms was not less that 22cms? Has that changed?

Jazzah

Apparently :-)

This is the code used for checking the 500gm Satchels

if (($weight <= 500) && ((($width + $height) * 2 ) <= (220 * 2)) && ((($length + $height) * 2 ) <= (353 * 2) ) && ($length <= 353) && ($width <= 220) )

I'm not seeing where I've gone wrong.. can you?

Cheers
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