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24 Nov 2009, 8:43 AM
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Anyone using godaddy?

ZenCart has allowed GoDaddy to use their product. We are not uploading it ourselves, this is something that can be uploaded straight from GoDaddy. Ok FINE it might be GoDaddy's fault that its not working right but obviously after all of these complaints going back for years, they are making Zen Cart look bad especially since they blame everything that happens on them! Did I question who was at fault, yep! For about a month because I was told that it was Zen Carts problem yet my connection was telling me it was GoDaddy's problem. If this is a company Zen Cart wants to stay with and let promote them (badly I say) then they are going to have to figure out a fix so THEIR program works correctly with them. Or at least the users needs to help themselves so they can figure out a fix for this solution for other people who decide to use GoDaddy in the future. You may not be having this problem but many users are and I am sure would be extatic to hear a fix to their problems.

Something that started off with a few questions never needed to end with a comment like Kims.

24 Nov 2009, 8:52 AM
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ZenCart has allowed GoDaddy to use their product. We are not uploading it ourselves, this is something that can be uploaded straight from GoDaddy. Ok FINE it might be GoDaddy's fault that its not working right but obviously after all of these complaints going back for years, they are making Zen Cart look bad especially since they blame everything that happens on them! Did I question who was at fault, yep! For about a month because I was told that it was Zen Carts problem yet my connection was telling me it was GoDaddy's problem. If this is a company Zen Cart wants to stay with and let promote them (badly I say) then they are going to have to figure out a fix so THEIR program works correctly with them. Or at least the users needs to help themselves so they can figure out a fix for this solution for other people who decide to use GoDaddy in the future. You may not be having this problem but many users are and I am sure would be extatic to hear a fix to their problems.

Something that started off with a few questions never needed to end with a comment like Kims.

This conversation leaves me gobsmacked!

Even more rubbish than that posted by RGME !

Zencart allows EVERYONE to use their software - there are absolutely NO RESTRICTIONS.

The audacious claim that the developers sanction or restrict use selectively is just ridiculous.

For years now, people hosting with inadequate providers have been weeping buckets on this forum about their hosts' bad systems and service, and yet many masochisticly adhere to their decisions and remain where they are.

If you want to run ecommerce properly then all links in the chain must be strong. A bad host weakens everything.

... so go get a good host.

24 Nov 2009, 9:15 AM
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Sunday and RGME,

Clearly you're new to the Zen Cart community, and you wouldn't be aware of any of the history about GoDaddy. I'm sure you mean well, but you're mistaken.

No doubt your tone is based on personal frustration with a problem you've gotten into seemingly innocently. But, telling Zen Cart that we need to fix your problem is not the solution ... in fact it's downright misguided.

The problem you have is related to GoDaddy's bad hardware architecture and bad business plan and shady ethics. You can only make server-to-server communications go "so fast" with certain equipment. And when services are spread across multiple servers as discussed earlier in this thread, the system is only as good as its weakest link ... in this case the weakest link is the hosting service.

There is nothing Zen Cart can do to convince the people at GoDaddy to get better hardware or smarter staff to configure their servers in more efficient ways. Simply stated, GoDaddy doesn't care about you. They only care about their bottom line.

You wouldn't know this, but Kim and I have spent many months on multiple occasions dealing with various folks at various higher levels of influence and decision-making at GoDaddy, and in all cases, it has always been made very clear to us that they have NO intention of making their low-end hosting services run any better, whether for Zen Cart or anything else. In fact, they have specifically admitted that they intentionally build their business model to oversell their servers. We've even tried aggressively to get them to open up several standard TCP ports for ecommerce payment processing, and they continue to refuse to offer that to their low-end hosting.
The only way you'll be able to have any influence over even a smidgen of performance on GoDaddy hosting is to pay for their more costly service plans ... which are more expensive and offer fewer features than the Recommended Hosting partners listed here on the Zen Cart site.

The only thing GoDaddy is good for is domain names. Everything else they sell is gravy for them, and they only put enough effort into everything else to squeak by and keep cash coming in ... as you've seen demonstrated in the hosting you've bought.

So ... there's really no gentler way to say it:
As everyone here is telling you ... get a different host.
If you can't get a refund from GoDaddy, write it off as a business expense. Put a different domain on that account until it expires, and use that domain for testing upgrades/etc for your site, since you don't need super-fast performance on a testing site. At least that way you won't be losing the "investment" as badly. Worst case, chalk it up to a learning experience.

24 Nov 2009, 9:20 AM
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Re: Anyone using godaddy?

Zencart works faultlessly on literally hundreds of thousands of other installations. Most of my clients' sites are hosted with one provider and never (in nearly 6 years) has any fault arisen that can even be remotely attributed to Zencart. I have a smattering of client sites with other providers, but likewise - not a single minute's problems - ever!

I've no doubt! Thanks for the reply. It's welcomed comments like that which might help push GoDaddy towards a solution.

What utter rubbish! Neither Kim, nor this forum is the person / place to SOLVE hosting issues. It is a place where problems are aired and opinions are offered. Many people have gone further and offered solutions to some of the more practical issues. But the only place GoDaddy clients can voice their anger and frustration is with GoDaddy itself.

To suggest that the developers of this superb software must assume resopnsibility for the inadequacies of an independent company that has nothing to do with this project, is both insulting and inappropriate.

You owe an apology!

Oh good grief. No one "suggests" anything, other than professional reputation is at stake. I'm pretty sure we can agree that GoDaddy is the problem. But it is going to take technical proof before one of the very largest host in the USA does anything about it. Not ranting and raving. Technical proof. Right? No one can provide such proof except this very community. It's for the good of Zen Cart users, the support forum, and GoDaddy users.

24 Nov 2009, 9:40 AM
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<snip> You wouldn't know this, but Kim and I have spent many months on multiple occasions dealing with various folks at various higher levels of influence and decision-making at GoDaddy, and in all cases, it has always been made very clear to us that they have NO intention of making their low-end hosting services run any better, whether for Zen Cart or anything else. In fact, they have specifically admitted that they intentionally build their business model to oversell their servers. We've even tried aggressively to get them to open up several standard TCP ports for ecommerce payment processing, and they continue to refuse to offer that to their low-end hosting. The *only* way you'll be able to have any influence over even a smidgen of performance on GoDaddy hosting is to pay for their more costly service plans ... which are more expensive and offer fewer features than the Recommended Hosting partners listed here on the Zen Cart site. <snip>

Thank you for that info! Now the revelation is that GoDaddy simply can not, with the hardware they have, provide what they advertise. Well, that's how I read it. Good, good info.


Maybe others will comment. Or maybe this should move off this thread? Anyone got a blog we can use? It's getting a little strained around here... lots of emotion and even a bit of disrespect...

24 Nov 2009, 9:50 AM
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RGME,
It's not just the hardware. It's way more than that. It's their overall architecture and their business model. They're simply not interested in providing great hosting. They're only interested in selling products to make more money.

As for starting a blog about it, I don't see the value in that. The issue is clear: GoDaddy doesn't care. You're not going to change their mind.
And flogging the matter here on the Zen Cart website isn't going to change things either.

It's not even worth spending money upgrading to their more expensive hosting plans, let alone throwing money at efforts to get them to change.

You said earlier that you think they're the largest hosting company in the USA. They're not.
And, furthermore, "bigger" does NOT necessarily mean "best", or even "good".
They're certainly large, but they're FAR from being good. And, they don't even want to be good. They're content with "adequate", and they build their service to suit the small guys who run 3-5 static HTML pages on their site ... not for the more intense demands of a professional eCommerce site.

Anyway, it's becoming clear that there are folks who have nothing better to do with their time than to chase butterflies.
If you're a butterfly-chaser, I recommend you reconsider your position and get on with running your own business rather than trying to change someone else's business.

If you're bent on getting GoDaddy to change their whole m-o, do us all a favor and don't drag the Zen Cart name into it.

24 Nov 2009, 10:18 AM
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DrByte:

<lots of good info snipped> If you're bent on getting GoDaddy to change their whole m-o, do us all a favor and don't drag the Zen Cart name into it.

Best I know, ZC is the only application that doesn't work properly on GoDaddy. So ZC is unavoidably in the mix, so to speak. But I don't like being robbed. Not saying (yet) that I and others have been billed for services not obtainable, but things are sure starting to look that way.

It's not right to take money with promise and then not deliver the goods, is it. Not a question, I'm making a statement.

Anyhow, I'm gonna sideline and just watch the thread. Maybe it will die, maybe it won't for a while. If more people comment, I hope they keep it civil and without attitude against another ZC user. Peace!

24 Nov 2009, 4:40 PM
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Re: Anyone using godaddy?

Just a quick bit of information regarding statements made earlier in this thread...

Just because a host has an auto install of zen cart does not mean that they support it,

Zen Cart is an open source program that has been included in several installers
Fantastco
Installatron
Godaddy
and others,

Running Zen Cart requires certain settings ( Tuning ) that godaddy and alot of other hosts wont incorporate because they overload their servers to the point that server resources are stretched so thin that systems come to a crawl

This wsa posted aboive

it displays almost as fast. 1,688 queries in 1.35 seconds

Honestly 1688 queries in over a second is slow

a better example is listed here

Parse Time: 0.890 - Number of Queries: 4080 - Query Time: 0.584199176132

this is from a live site listed here

http://www.carbonless.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=381_42_284_244_312&products_id=1824

Im not going to get into who to use and who not to use for a host that is completely up to the user. But when companies put upwards of 1000 sites on a mediocre server then your gonna run into issues.

24 Nov 2009, 4:46 PM
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Re: Anyone using godaddy?

Merlinpa1969:

Just a quick bit of information regarding statements made earlier in this thread...

Just because a host has an auto install of zen cart does not mean that they support it,

Zen Cart is an open source program that has been included in several installers
Fantastco
Installatron
Godaddy
and others,

Running Zen Cart requires certain settings ( Tuning ) that godaddy and alot of other hosts wont incorporate because they overload their servers to the point that server resources are stretched so thin that systems come to a crawl

This wsa posted aboive

Honestly 1688 queries in over a second is slow

a better example is listed here

Parse Time: 0.890 - Number of Queries: 4080 - Query Time: 0.584199176132

this is from a live site listed here

http://www.carbonless.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=381_42_284_244_312&products_id=1824

Im not going to get into who to use and who not to use for a host that is completely up to the user. But when companies put upwards of 1000 sites on a mediocre server then your gonna run into issues.

Amen!

~Melanie

24 Nov 2009, 5:22 PM
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Merlinpa1969:

But when companies put upwards of 1000 sites on a mediocre server then your gonna run into issues.
GoDaddy does several times more than that, without shame.

24 Nov 2009, 7:35 PM
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Thank you for the information it is very helpful.:yes: I am not adverse to switching hosts, I have already done it twice in the past 4 months. What my biggest problem is, is some users sites work with GoDaddy and some don't, there has to be a reason other then they are bad or they don't have what it takes. I see that they are only out for money especially since I got a response this morning from them telling me "its NOT our servers but hey buy your own from us anyhow it will work better." If its not the servers I shouldn't have to buy a seperate one. What I am trying to do is tie up loose ends on my site so that I feel confident when I do move over to another host I won't have the same problems. Its just a HUGE waist of money and time to be jumping around from host to host hoping that it will help when in the end it was in "my" site and stupid coding all along.

I have no reason to blame zen cart for my problems, which I haven't done. Is this something that needs to be fixed YES I really do think so. That statement we are only as strong as our weekest link, well with this problem going on that link will keep on being week, unfortunalty. By Zen Cart not being able to fix the problem and GoDaddy not willing to fix the problem, its a simple statement that Zen Cart does not support GoDaddy and to not use them, since THEY are the ones dragging ZC name through the mud, not me. People should not have to digg through these forums to find something like this out after the fact. :no:

24 Nov 2009, 8:00 PM
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People should not have to digg through these forums to find something like this out after the fact.

... and how would you remedy it?

24 Nov 2009, 8:14 PM
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I use godaddy and uploaded Zen Cart through them. The connection is still slow. It has nothing to do with the site itself (which took me a week to figure out) but the connection to godaddy servers. Even getting onto my Admin, and FTP is a hassle. The connection time varies from 4 -12 seconds, most of the time towards the 12 sec. mark unless I am looking at it at 3 am. I know my problem is not with Zen but with godaddy. When I asked them what was going on their answer was to turn everything I could off and it will run fine. Mostly everything is turned off and it didn't improve the connection time.

Now I am looking into switching hsoting sites and looked at the ones that Zen considers good to use, the only one I have heard of is Blue Host so I am leaning towards them. Is this a good idea?

I was originally with GoDaddy and ran into all kinds of technical problems and my site was painfully slow. I moved to Bluehost and I haven't had any problems since. The times that I have spoken with tech support I found them to be very competent. This being said my site is relatively new and isn't under huge traffic pressure.

24 Nov 2009, 8:25 PM
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Kim - Personally if it was me and I owned a company that was having a problem like this, it would be right on my front page as a disclamer. That said, I don't own ZC and have no idea what their priorites are. Maybe a sperate tab up top next to the certified hosts of who they don't support. Maybe a main sticky on the forum that lists the problems and to use them at their own risk.

KCB - Thank you for your input it was very helpful :smile:

24 Nov 2009, 8:49 PM
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Kim - Personally if it was me and I owned a company that was having a problem like this, it would be right on my front page as a disclamer.

:) Unfortunately, we could post it in 6 inch tall red flashing neon on every page of the site and we would still have folks that "didn't see it" ...

24 Nov 2009, 8:59 PM
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Kim:

:) Unfortunately, we could post it in 6 inch tall red flashing neon on every page of the site and we would still have folks that "didn't see it" ...

Your right Kim. I would have been less upset though if I saw that after the fact, because at least I would have been the idiot who didn't listen. But you would just have someone yelling it wasen't big enough. Anyhow I am going to get a Blue Host for the month and mimic my site over there and see if it works. If not I can come back and tell ya'll you where wrong? :laugh:

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Since ancient Roman times, the free market has one basic rule.

Even though Yale Universty's WH Hamilton disputes this, the Romans had a Latin phrase for it, which has lasted for over 2000 years:

Caveat Emptor

27 Nov 2009, 12:38 AM
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I admit it ... I had to Googled it to be sure ... :lamo:

27 Nov 2009, 10:46 AM
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Well, I gave up on GoDaddy and got hosting elsewhere (Linux, Apache). Learned how to move stores in the process. I'm going to have to join the chorus and say GoDaddy could not provide me proper and dependable hosting service for a Zen Cart store. A little slowness is ok, sorta, but even occasional timeouts are just unacceptable and they can not (or will not) fix it. IMHO, they should not offer ZC installs.

In a few days I'll redirect the domain hosting the now "demo" stores at GoDaddy to point at the domain the newly located stores are at. If anyone wants to compare the parsing times, they are turned on in the footers.

Old Store#1 Site
http://www.RGMEusa.com/eStore1
vs New Store#1 Site
http://www.RGMEusa1.com/eStore1

Old Store#3 Site
http://www.RGMEusa.com/eStore3
vs New Store#2 Site
http://www.RGMEusa1.com/eStore2

Those statistics speak for themselves.

Oh, and the hosting was a LOT cheaper at the new location. Only thing I can't get there, I don't think, is IIS7 for ASP with Microsoft Access databases. Inconvenient, but worth the tradeoff.

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Thanks for the update.
And I'm glad to see that the evidence speaks for itself, and that you're actually saving money in the process.

I've never regretted moving my important websites to someplace other than GoDaddy's servers.