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26 Jun 2010, 6:43 AM
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Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Hello all:

This is what Google is showing when my listing shows up in a search result:

Jewellery Collections – Fine jewellery for both men and women ... - Jun 25
Jewellery Collections : - By Product Type Accessories By Zodiac Sign By Gemstones Men's Gift Certificates Pashmina By Symbol Gemstone Healing Properties ...

The first line correct as that is being pulled from the TITLE attribute that I have changed in the file located here: /includes/templates/template_default/common/html_header.php

The second line, "Jewellery Collections : - By Product Type Accessories ...." is wrong as that is nowhere on the site. I have looked everywhere and could not find a spot where that would have been inserted. I have also used the Developers Kit and searched the site but still nothing.

Any idea what is going on....??

Thanx in advance,

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26 Jun 2010, 6:50 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Are they names of your Categories?

Without seeing the site, all we can do is guess.

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26 Jun 2010, 7:01 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Website Rob, thanx for your reply.

I just sent you a private message with the website URL.

Please let me know.

Thanx,

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26 Jun 2010, 8:48 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

driven13:

Website Rob, thanx for your reply.

I just sent you a private message with the website URL.

Please let me know.

Thanx,

--d.

I found your site easy enough, after all, you did give us a pretty precise text string to type into google. :-)

Alas, I had to abort my attempt at providing you an answer because... well, you know, all that noise upsets other people in the office.

Cheers
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ps. Do as I just did, and assuming it IS your site, follow the google link, then 'view source' - You'll clearly see where google is getting it from.

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26 Jun 2010, 9:05 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

RodG:

Alas, I had to abort my attempt at providing you an answer because... well, you know, all that noise upsets other people in the office.

What in the world are you talking about??

If you cannot provide an answer that is helpful to me, and others in the future when they visit this thread, please move on.

We are here to help each other and learn, and not to waste time figuring out what in the world your ego is talking about.

Can ANYONE ELSE help me please.

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26 Jun 2010, 9:33 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

If you go to your page and using the browser 'view' tab select 'view source'. You'll see what is being used.

The error you are making is that you don't alter the file html_header.php. - it is a 'common' file therefore used by all pages.

You set each products keywords and descriptions from the product admin section.

You will find a little Icon on the right. Click on that and make changes there.

You could also use the developers tool kit to locate files that need altering.

26 Jun 2010, 9:33 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

driven13:

What in the world are you talking about??

If you cannot provide an answer that is helpful to me, and others in the future when they visit this thread, please move on.

We are here to help each other and learn, and not to waste time figuring out what in the world your ego is talking about.

Can ANYONE ELSE help me please.

--d.

So far Rob is the only one capable of helping you, because it is apparent that the site I found wasn't yours (otherwise you wouldn't be as abusive as you are), and therefore Rob is the only one that knows where to find your site. Without this much no one can help you.

I also apologise for assuming you were smart enough to take my comments and 'fly' with it (so as to not have to wait on others for help).

Simply put, all you need do is find the page of interest (the one that google indexed), browse to it with your web browser, then select 'view source'. At this time you WILL see EXACTLY what and why google indexed what it did.

I assume I re-wrote that to satisfy my ego too.

Jerk!

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26 Jun 2010, 9:38 AM
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profitshock:

Thank you for your response. I will give that a shot. You are a breath of fresh air after dumb-a**es like RodG.

Thank god for helpful folks like you and Website Rob.

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26 Jun 2010, 12:56 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

As mentioned previously, without knowing the URL it is hard for anyone to provide a decent answer. RodG did guess, same as I did, but you apparently didn't much like his answer. Even if he guessed wrong, you should not begrudge someone who has been given very little information from still trying to help. And Rod, you should know better than to assume. :smile: The Jewelry market is highly competitive and everyone likes to use the same Names, Terms, etc. In fact, bluenile.com - the 800 LB Gorilla of the online Jewelry market, has many ongoing lawsuits for things as simple as descriptions or price comparisons.

It was expected that the URL would be provided within this thread, for all to see and help. If, for whatever reason, you don't want SEs picking up on your URL then you can space it out; www. somedomain .com for example.

driven13, although I will respect your privacy and not publish the URL, I will not take it upon myself to be the only one to help correct any problems. With that said, Google is getting the information you described from your Metatag - Keywords, which seem to be the same for every page.

<meta name="keywords" content="By Product Type Accessories By Zodiac Sign ...

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26 Jun 2010, 1:09 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Website Rob:

And Rod, you should know better than to assume. :smile:

I know... This is one lesson I can never seem to learn (or keep forgetting).
:sadwalk:

Anyway, now you've made me jealous... It was my turn to help someone this time and you stole him/her away from me. Gosh Darnit. How am I supposed to feed my wife and 14 kids if you keep stealing my work? :p

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26 Jun 2010, 1:22 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

I'm sorry Rod, but I have a googol amount of pixels that I have to look after and that requires lots of moolah. Speaking of which, the word 'googol' is a mathematical term representing the number 1 with 100 zeros after it and also where the founders of Google got their name. There, you can satisfy most anyone with that bit of drival, er... I mean trivia.

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26 Jun 2010, 3:18 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Website Rob, thank you for your answer. It was very helpful. I have only asked folks, like yourself, to help me as far as possible with the information that I have provided. That is the most I can do. It was RodG's holier than thou attitude that got to me. If he could not help me, for whatever reason, all he had to do was say it, like you did, or just walk away. Why "mock" me with your reply?

Anyways, I am done talking about this. I see folks like him with a mis-placed God-syndrome everyday and I laugh inside as I know they are a "legend in their OWN minds".

Thank you and profitshock for your time and help.

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26 Jun 2010, 10:56 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

Profitshock:

OK, I looked into what you (and Website Rob) mentioned about the METATAGS.

I want to have the same meta-tags for all the pages. So, am I right in assuming that if I change the html_header.php file then that is all I need to do?

Also, will the change in Google be instantaneous or will I have to wait until it re-indexes the site? Is there a way to ask it to re-index sooner than the next "scheduled" one?

Thank you both for your time and patience.

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27 Jun 2010, 7:03 PM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

You certainly do not want the same tag data on every page. That would not help your indexing in any sort of positive way.

The title and meta description tags on each page should be unique and should describe exactly what is on that page.

The meta keywords aren't important to global searchengines but may be used by the internal site search feature.

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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

I've got to agree with g1smd .. you might not want differing meta tags but you most certainly NEED them if you are to stand ANY hope of having your efforts found in ANY search engine i.e. Bing & Yahoo or Google.

Title tags & Meta Descriptions are the lifeblood of being found by your potential customers who are looking for what you are selling. If the search engine bots see the same head tags on every page they will list one of your pages and only once.

You can help yourself further by making sure that in your product description you use the product name again and give it H1 tags, you can reinforce that by paraphrasing your meta description within the product description about half way through and wrapping it in H2 tags.

example

<title>Red Fluffy Cuddly Teddy Bear - ID45</title>
[note: ID45 represents a manufacturers product code] 
<meta name="keywords" content="red teddy bear,fluffy teddy bear,cuddly teddy bear, id45" />
<meta name="description" content="A nice cute red cuddly teddy bear ideal for children or the one you love as a special gift." />
<body>
Product Description:
<h1>Red Fluffy Cuddly Teddy Bear</h1>
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
<h2>The ideal teddy bear gift for children or loved ones</h2>
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
</body>

If you must alter that file add

<meta name="robots" content="noodp, noydir" />

That will force the search engines to use your description rather than make one up based on the content of your page. The aim you should have is to make your description, for each product and page look attractive to prospective customers. Think of it as your 155 character sales pitch.

By taking that little bit of extra time to make each page unique you give yourself a thousandfold increase that your site might be the one your new customer sees and chooses first.

If you want the same headers on every page just put up a one page website.

As for re-indexing ... there is no hard and fast rule. Sometimes I see changes to my sites within an hour or two ... sometimes it might be a week ... I've never known it to take more than two weeks

29 Jun 2010, 2:46 AM
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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

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You can help yourself further by making sure that in your product description you use the product name again and give it H1 tags...Um, unless you've busted your template and removed the original H1 tags, you DO NOT WANT TO ADD MORE h1 tags into your product descriptions.
You SHOULD NOT have more than ONE set of H1 tags per page.
By default Zen Cart wraps your product name in H1 tags, at the start of the product-detail section of the page where it is most relevant.
Adding more H1 tags is likely to cause you ranking problems.

profitshock:

If you must alter that file add

<meta name="robots" content="noodp, noydir" /> ``` I don't recommend touching that unless you have very specific problems with very specific directories that use those tags, AND you have very specific clear reasons for doing so. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ADD JUST BECAUSE YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE. But, that said, I can't stop you.

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Re: Google is pulling stuff that I don't see on my site

OOps ... My Bad - (I should post earlier in the day :)

Dr Byte is correct about the <h1> tags -
I should have put <h2> and <h3>

He is also right to point out

"IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ADD JUST BECAUSE YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE."

All I can add is ... Put the terms into Google and see for yourself what they do and why they do them. You'll also see why some people say there is a value and others don't. As with all sites you have to make your own decisions based on your unique circumstances, you can do that best when you have all of the facts and options.
(I'm guessing here ?? but I would imagine that one of Dr Byte's concerns is due to the way Zen Cart constructs content within your head tags by default - if you haven't manually added SEO specific data to every page and category it may be safer not to add the "noodp, noydir")

The bottom line is even if you don't add your own meta data, Zen Cart does an OK SEO job 'out of the box'.