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8 May 2008, 12:25 AM
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lankeeyankee:

Frankly, I think that the admins should ban you since you are only here to promote your own paid-for product and you have never offered anything other than shameful self-promotion of your paid-for mod!!!!

I am only defending MSU. My post are very rare since I am very busy.
Btw this topic also includes MSU and I think I was posting here only facts, not any promotion bull ########.

8 May 2008, 12:25 AM
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Website Rob:

lankeeyankee, please do not turn your posts into personal attacks. Forum Rules do not allow it and it just makes "you" look bad. This doesn't mean you cannot state your personal experience with someone's Product or Service, but that is quite different from posting Personal attacks.

You are, of course, absolutely correct Rob. Sorry to all for losing my cool. :blush:

You can see this is obviously a bit of a touchy point and I really do appreciate the objective viewpoint. There is more to this story, but I will not sully this great place with the timeline of dirty details... Thanks for keeping me in line with the purpose of why we are all here, Rob! :hug:

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Thanks...

8 May 2008, 2:06 AM
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All sound advice - thanks for that.

Indeed - no one really knows how to get the top spot on any search engine, except the search engines! I guess what is important in this thread is whether these mods benefit or hurt your site's ranking when compared to the standard ZC link structure. As ranking is not only controlled by how the urls look (e.g. your site may be more popular because it has nicer looking urls, thus creating more people linking to your site), then user-friendlyness, ability to see what page you're on and what it's parents are, etc, is also important.

SEO friendly url's do help. At least it seems that way if you look at competitive key words. Top listed sites have them. Do a search for wedding favors and have a look at the top few. Google marks the found key word in the url bold. Why? Guess what, it matters to them so it has to matters to me...

8 May 2008, 2:25 AM
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Re: Magic SEO URL vs Ultimate SEO URL vs SEO_G

If I may interject once again:

Zen Cart is the worlds Greatest FREE open source shopping cart software available. Support is FREE, ABUNDANT, FAST, and KNOWLEDGEABLE (scuse the all caps there).

That being said, why do people insist on purchasing third party programs, mods, and software without checking with the REAL experts here first?

The age old addage "Buyer Beware" seems to be obviously appropriate for this thread.

There is no "magic" (hint hint) formula for achieving top key word or page rankings. It's an ongoing battle that is being fought daily by some of the most ruthless, unethical, dishonest jackasses, spammers, and cheaters on the planet, and us little guys, mom and pops, and privateers, unfortanately, will NEVER, EVER win!

But, we can try. Follow the rules and guidlines set forth by Google (the mac daddy), check, and double check your site for errors, good content, proper meta and key word placement, try to get some good quality RELEVANT back links to your site (try a relevant high quality blog or two, but google how to do that first).

Install and use the GoogleBase and Yahoo Submit mods, and Definately install and use the Google XML Sitemap mod. If you really want to try a GOOD seo url mod that does NO damage to core files, and actually does seem to help a little, again, as before, I reccomend Simple SEO. Nothing "magic" about it, it just works nicely out of the box. And, it is FREE. The support is FREE.

With Gas prices getting as high as they are, it's nice to get something for FREE, isn't it?:hug:

8 May 2008, 2:43 AM
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SEO friendly url's do help. At least it seems that way if you look at competitive key words. Top listed sites have them. Do a search for wedding favors and have a look at the top few. Google marks the found key word in the url bold. Why? Guess what, it matters to them so it has to matters to me...

Thank you, Mydanilo! I look every day at how people reach my site using the user tracking mod, and many times I see the search keywords in bold in the actual URL of my competitors that are above and below me. I have always thought that the URL content had an effect. But, to defend the standard ZC install, I am constantly amazed (knock on wood!!:smile:) by how well my standard ZC links appear in Google. My site has been live since right after XMas '07, so just over 4 moths, and I am indexed every day by Google and we appear if not #1 at least on the first page for so many keywords that I am totally amazed and totally in LOVE with ZC just the way it is in terms of SEO. I think the absolute most important thing is to have great keyword density in your meta title, meta description, and page content. My own personal experience, after having paid for a certain SEO mod, is that the default ZC structure works and you need to focus on the above point of meta data and content and then Google will love you. I make a point of having keywords repeated no more than 4 times in my meta content. Please feel free to check out my site and do searches for items related to it, I know there are certain categories of items that are very competitive compared to others, but you will get my point. I couldn't be happier after so short of a time, after all there are many many site that have been around longer than 4 months BUT I AM BEATING MANY OF THEM ON MANY KEYWORD SEARCHES, and my sales are going up and up and up.....

I think the bottom line is, ZC out of the box will get you in the hunt as long as you add teh extra ingredient of great and relevant content. You might be able to tweak a little better SE listing(not Ranking) by improving the URL string but after using a paid for SEO mod, please see my other posts, to start my site(with very dismal results but that might just be the way it worked out), I can't fault the stock ZC system from a SE point of view since I am frankly Kicking a$$.:D My sales are growing so well, and my PR and #1 or 1st page listings are so good, I should knock on wood.:D:D AND, most importantly, the donations to the devs of ZC will keep flowing and I hope that EVERYONE that is on this forum will donate at LEAST a few $$ a month to keep it rolling along. ZC and this forum community are SO awesome, you will not find a stronger community elsewhere.:smile:

8 May 2008, 2:47 AM
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wtashby:

If I may interject once again:

Zen Cart is the worlds Greatest FREE open source shopping cart software available. Support is FREE, ABUNDANT, FAST, and KNOWLEDGEABLE (scuse the all caps there).

That being said, why do people insist on purchasing third party programs, mods, and software without checking with the REAL experts here first?

The age old addage "Buyer Beware" seems to be obviously appropriate for this thread.

There is no "magic" (hint hint) formula for achieving top key word or page rankings. It's an ongoing battle that is being fought daily by some of the most ruthless, unethical, dishonest jackasses, spammers, and cheaters on the planet, and us little guys, mom and pops, and privateers, unfortanately, will NEVER, EVER win!

But, we can try. Follow the rules and guidlines set forth by Google (the mac daddy), check, and double check your site for errors, good content, proper meta and key word placement, try to get some good quality RELEVANT back links to your site (try a relevant high quality blog or two, but google how to do that first).

Install and use the GoogleBase and Yahoo Submit mods, and Definately install and use the Google XML Sitemap mod. If you really want to try a GOOD seo url mod that does NO damage to core files, and actually does seem to help a little, again, as before, I reccomend Simple SEO. Nothing "magic" about it, it just works nicely out of the box. And, it is FREE. The support is FREE.

With Gas prices getting as high as they are, it's nice to get something for FREE, isn't it?:hug:

YES YES and YES to everything you have to say!!!:hug:

You are speaking the honest truth and there is no "magic" in what you have to say.:D

8 May 2008, 1:08 PM
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I did a search for snare drums on google. A key phrase that is searched
408 times daily with 2670000 competitors. Search for bass drum, about the same thing....

I can't see you on the first few pages? Look at the first page listings and look at what you find in the url's? You find url's like https://www.xxxxxx.org/percussion/bassdrum.html

Can you tell me what key word you are happy with? Does the listing in google point to a category or product page?

Now if you try to compete for key phrases that are searched thousands of times a day, you will see the need for every bit help you can get.

Don't get me wrong, I am quiet pleased with the rankings I am getting with my standard installs as well, especially in more specialized fields where key words are not so hard fought over. The sites in my signature do not use any SEO url mods and I am pleased with results. Indexing is no problem.

And by the way, the main page is never an issue anyway. This is where you have your main key words placed and no url mod makes a difference here. It may only affect, help the sub categories and products pages.

I feel the key word rich url is ONE small factor in the SEO puzzle that is worth pursuing if you need every little bit of help you can get. It's like tuning a car to the max.

10 May 2008, 2:38 PM
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Re: Magic SEO URL vs Ultimate SEO URL vs SEO_G

capnhairdo:

One issue I discovered is that products that have incorrect categorizations, e.g. associated with disabled/deleted categories or with an invalid "master" category, seem to throw a 404 with MSEO installed. The pages still come up fine, but if you look at the header, you'd see 404 instead of 200. Of course, these miscategorized products should be fixed anyway (I think it's not cool Zen even allows this to happen); but be vigilant in checking your links sitewide with MSEO installed to make sure you don't have any of these erroneous 404s popping up.

I'm concerned that this might be happening to me. How to I actually look at the header? Sorry for being stupid :cry:

10 May 2008, 3:16 PM
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You can see HTTP headers by installing e.g. Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox and selecting Information - View Response Headers.

But since MSU send HTTP 404 only after redirections to dynamic URLs is made, I don't think it is MSU issue.

10 May 2008, 4:22 PM
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barricades, I wouldn't be too worried about what you quoted by capnhairdo. Their site (babybestbuy.com) has some specific problems going on with that do not look like they are related to MSEO. In perusing their site I noticed I can get more than one Zen Cart ID which shows there is a more basic problem somewhere.

Also, anyone concerned about what a Module is or isn't doing can always turn the Module OFF to verify, if the Module is the problem or something else.

11 May 2008, 1:37 AM
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Re: Magic SEO URL vs Ultimate SEO URL vs SEO_G

Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated and some good advice.

I would conclude that ZC's links work fine for SEO purposes, so if there is a mod which will improve their readability, without hampering the site's pagerank (ie by creating duplicate content etc) then it should increase the organic click through rate (i'm certainly more likely to click a link which is /drums if i'm looking for drums rather than /c-123/-24 etc).

The advice is all appreciated and i will definitely look into SSEO instead of my current Ultimate SEO.

11 May 2008, 9:50 PM
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Website Rob:

I wouldn't be too worried about what you quoted by capnhairdo. Their site (babybestbuy.com) has some specific problems going on with that do not look like they are related to MSEO. In perusing their site I noticed I can get more than one Zen Cart ID which shows there is a more basic problem somewhere.

Rob, I'm not sure what you mean, but if you've discovered a problem with our site, I'd be keen to find and fix it. Can you explain?

Website Rob:

anyone concerned about what a Module is or isn't doing can always turn the Module OFF to verify, if the Module is the problem or something else.

Of course, this was the very first thing I did to isolate the problem with the 404s we were experiencing, which is how I figured out it was MSEO. I then went to the trouble of decoding MSEO and actually found the line of code within it that was issuing the 404 erroneously. iRay will deny this, as he did when I first reported the issue, and I don't care to rehash that argument. So take this for what you will, but know that my claims were not simply idle speculation.

11 May 2008, 10:04 PM
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capnhairdo:

iRay will deny this, as he did when I first reported the issue, and I don't care to rehash that argument. So take this for what you will, but know that my claims were not simply idle speculation.

Could you please PM me the line causing this or your fix? (It is technically impossible for MSU to have such behavior as I wrote in one of my previous post)
Whenever anyone report troubles/issue/bug I am double checking it and this was not exception.
If you post me also your FTP login details I am able to fix it even if it is not MSU related problem (to prove you I am correct).

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capnhairdo, steps to reproduce.

  1. http://www.babybestbuy.com/
  2. Baby Bedding << this gives me a ZC ID
  3. Crib Bedding
  4. 100% Cotton Knit Standard Crib Sheet
  5. Add to Cart
  6. Now choose Home link
  7. Mouseover any link on the Main Content page, you now have a new ZC ID

Note: you may have to remove previous site Cookies and/or restart the Browser you are using for this test.

The above happened with; SeaMonkey, IE 6, FF 2 and Opera 9.24. Speaking of Opera, none -- and I mean none -- of your images would display.

As to your reference about my posting for anyone checking a Module by turning it OFF, it was intended for 'anyone' and not just your situation. I have no intentions of getting in between you & iRay. :wink:

Also, your Sidebox Category links show 'javascript : void' on a Mouseover, when one is viewing a Sub-category. Zen Cart doesn't work the way by default nor when USEO is used.

7 Jun 2008, 8:44 PM
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BlessIsaacola:

Well, I think a lot of this with regards to breadcrumb and url formatting is a personal preference, business and SEO objectives. Like you rightly pointed out without code modification to ZC core, when a product belongs to multiple categories ZC does not always use the master category as the category in the breadcrumb.

To allow full control how master categories are handled when unique path to product is assigned, there is now new use_master_category option. I think this is one of the most wanted feature. Check updates.

19 Sep 2008, 5:34 AM
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Re: Magic SEO URL vs Ultimate SEO URL vs SEO_G

These are both open source, so I was able to easily remove the .html extension.*** Extensionless URLs are the best way to go for long term SEO. *** Why commit to having PHP/ HTML, or anything else in your URL when it's unnecessary and could eventually become outdated.

Anyone informed knows the W3C standard is to create urls that are not dependent on any specific language. This is why you'll see that wordpress URLs are extensionless by default.

However, since MSU is closed source, that's not an option (extensionless URLs), and clearly a downside to the program.

I've done a lot of shopping cart comparison, and after years of research, I would say (at least currently) the only thing holding zen cart back from being hands down the best cart, is the fact that there's not a single good clean URL mod out there for zen cart.

Frankly, I'm disappointed that any code or other garbage is inserted into any of my URLs.

If I ever write my own PHP/ MYSQL based redirection mod with truly clean URLs, maybe I'll share it with the zen cart public.

The last major tool I've done a few projects on was wordpress, and I was quite impressed by the way they handle URLs (you can dictate anything you want for your URLs, there's really no limitations).

Anyway, back to my primary point: I'm disappointed with all the SEO URL mods I've found for Zen Cart.

If anyone finds something new/ better/ or any worthwhile updates, this might be a good post to include them in.... I really want no BS urls with no numbers or other superfluous b.s.

19 Sep 2008, 10:33 PM
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Something easier said than done :D

I'll look forward to a new seo module as well (and hopefully opensource)

20 Sep 2008, 4:28 AM
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I don't see why it's so hard to write a url rewrite mod that does not append a '.html' extension. It makes no sense to me that all of the mods out there right now add this extension.

I have written personal rewrite mods before and not adding an extension is a fairly simple concept.

20 Sep 2008, 2:52 PM
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So you are saying it's bad because of this .html?

I thought it's fully customizable thru admin?

:D

mikedeezy33:

I don't see why it's so hard to write a url rewrite mod that does not append a '.html' extension. It makes no sense to me that all of the mods out there right now add this extension.

I have written personal rewrite mods before and not adding an extension is a fairly simple concept.

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yellow1912:

So you are saying it's bad because of this .html?

I thought it's fully customizable thru admin?

:D

yes, never use .html on any SEO URLs. It's outdated, and not up to current W3C standards. Using .html is so 1997 (lol?).

Anyway, back on track...

OK guys, I'm VERY impressed with the framework this mod is written on:
http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14132&page=65
http://breakmyzencart.com/sefu

Let me explain, instead of sloppy htaccess rewrites, he's feeding the query to zen cart, and outputting whatever page he wants. The key to feeding your virtual URLs (in fact, all URL requets) to index.php is this simple htaccess:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c> 
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /index.php [L]
</IfModule>

Now, this is the exact HTACESS I've used on a wordpress project. SEFU gets pretty close to this, although he's got several things in his HTACESS that I don't like. I want to change his mod to use this htaccess above... clean, simple.

Anyway, this piece of HTACESS feeds all queries into index.php (if needed you can add a directory). Of course this can be changed to feed the queries to any page you like.

the REQUEST_FILENAME F/D pieces are to make sure you don't try to rewrite any pages that physically exist on the server.

With this htaccess, you get the URI requested by using the PATH_INFO parameter:
http://www.tutorio.com/tutorial/php-alternative-to-mod-rewrite-for-se-friendly-urls

the $HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PATH_INFO'] returns the path of the url from where something.php is being accessed so in this case it will return page/12/category/hosting. This then gets exploded or broken down into the array $data

* $data[0] = page
* $data[1] = 12
* $data[2] = category
* $data[3] = hosting

This way you have access to all the data you need for your php script.
Once you get the requested URL from PATH_INFO & explode/ parse it, there's the whole issue of feeding the right query into zen cart. This is the piece I'm not sure on, I'll have to dig into the SEFU php edits to find this.

After you parse the data, you'll have to be sure to send the right status header for each page...

Any 404 errors, 301 redirects, or 200 'http ok' status headers, would need to be sent--this is a parameter that needs to come at the start of a php header command. Here's a complete dummy exmaple:

<?
Header( "HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently" );
Header( "Location: http://www.new-url.com" );
?> 

Anyway, SEFU's mod is written for 1.2.6d... I would need to convert it to feed the queries correctly to zen cart 1.3.8a (our current version). I'm not sure what other issues it might have.