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9 Sep 2010, 11:30 PM
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Hi Rod

Could you please explain the "Use Core Weight" and "Restrain Dimensions" options to me.

The reason I want to know is that I post these crystal cubes that are quite heavy for their size. The postage works out OK until someone orders more that 17 of them and then it reverts to customer pickup only. To fix this recently I chose "yes" to the core weight and restrain dimension options. This seemed OK and put the postage across multiple parcels as I hoped.

However, when someone ordered a bracelet that should only be a letter it made it a parcel and tried to charge $16.00!

I have since reverted back to choosing "no" to both options as the majority of the time it calculated correctly.

What is the solution for the cubes when ordered in bulk?

10 Sep 2010, 3:46 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Is anyone else having problems with this module right now? It appears to have gone down from our side.

10 Sep 2010, 4:02 AM
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somedood:

Is anyone else having problems with this module right now? It appears to have gone down from our side.

Its working here, and were on V2.08 (if that helps)

10 Sep 2010, 6:27 AM
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robbie269:

Could you please explain the "Use Core Weight" and "Restrain Dimensions" options to me.

I can try :-)

Under 'normal conditions', the zencart core code calculates the number of parcels needed, and their weights, based on the settings in the shipping/packing configuration. It then makes this information avalaible to the shipping module(s). This isn't/wasn't really suitable for my needs, where the total weight and volume was more important than this simple parcel splitting, so up until recently, the ozpost ignored the zencart supplied values and calculated its own (the main difference being with the tare weights, which many found troublesome anyway).

The "Use Core Weight" setting is giving back the abilty to use the zencart supplied values, which also includes the creation of multiple parcels based on weight. The ozpost method assumes a single parcel only, regardless of weight.

The "Restrain Dimensions" option will limit the dimensions of any given parcel being quoted so that it will never fail a quote due to its size alone, for example, the max length item that australia post will accept is 105cm - so if the ozpost module calculates the parcel as being (say) 120cm long (which would normally fail to produce a quote), it will instead provide a quote for an item only 105cm long ... IOW, it'll be quoted based on weight alone.

This is very useful if you know that your products aren't subject to the cubing rules.

robbie269:

The reason I want to know is that I post these crystal cubes that are quite heavy for their size. The postage works out OK until someone orders more that 17 of them and then it reverts to customer pickup only.

This will almost certainly be a result of 'apparent oversize' due to the cubes being stacked into a single column, and yes, setting the 'restrain dimensions' will alleviate this problem for you. This is exactly the situation that this option was created to for).

robbie269:

To fix this recently I chose "yes" to the core weight and restrain dimension options. This seemed OK and put the postage across multiple parcels as I hoped.

However, when someone ordered a bracelet that should only be a letter it made it a parcel and tried to charge $16.00!

I can only guess that like most other Australian merchants, you haven't set/configured the zencart tare weights yet, and by default, this is set to a value of '3' (whether this is 3kg or 3gms is dependent on the 'Kgs/gms' setting in the ozpost module). Just to confuse matters, it'll probably appear as '3lbs' in some places (unless you've modified your language files).

Anyway, my guess is that this is why the bracelet appeared so heavy.

Another possible, but related reason could be that this is also where the 'max weight' settings are, if this is set at something like '20', and you have ozpost using 'gms', and the bracelet is weighted at 100gms, then the quote will be for 5, probably 6 parcels, each weighing a little under your 20gm maximum.

robbie269:

I have since reverted back to choosing "no" to both options as the majority of the time it calculated correctly.
What is the solution for the cubes when ordered in bulk?

Ideally, if you are doing a lot of bulk sales, then the best method by far is to 'prepackage' the items and use the weights/dimensions for the bulk 'product' as this will give you the greatest accuracy and allow more products into any given cart.

However, if you aren't quite ready for bulk sales, and considering what you are selling, I would suggest that setting the 'restrain dimensions' to 'yes' and the 'use core weights' to 'no' will produce accurate results for all situations... the only time you'll come unstuck is if you do actually sell enough stones/jewelry in a single order that it'll be too large for most carriers to handle, but in that case, I suspect postage costs won't be an issue anyway :-)

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10 Sep 2010, 3:16 PM
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somedood:

Is anyone else having problems with this module right now? It appears to have gone down from our side.
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I am experiencing problems with the ozpost module that started yesterday some time. When in the checkout dialog the shipping page does not load and instead just displays a blank page. I've disabled ozpost and instead am using with flat rate postage and the shipping page now loads. I am using ozpost.php,v 1.0.2 and have been using this for 12 months without this problem. The site is hosted on bluehost. Does anyone have any ideas.

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10 Sep 2010, 11:11 PM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod

Yes, setting the Restrain Dimensions to yes has helped. Plus I adjusted the tare weight bits in shipping/packaging to 10:0. (10%). I have set the maximum package weight I will ship to 20kgs, is this correct?
It still gets to about 35 of the cubes (it only got to 17 before) and then gives me no postage calculation. I can live with this. If anyone orders that many in bulk they probably deserve free shipping! And bracelets etc seem to be calculating OK.

Thanks

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11 Sep 2010, 8:00 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

robbie269:

I adjusted the tare weight bits in shipping/packaging to 10:0. (10%). I have set the maximum package weight I will ship to 20kgs, is this correct?

It isn't incorrect - but keep in mind that these settings are only used if the 'use core weight' setting is 'yes'. If this is set to 'no' then these settings are ignored.

robbie269:

It still gets to about 35 of the cubes (it only got to 17 before) and then gives me no postage calculation.

If you enable the 'debug' option when testing/experimenting you'll probably be able to identfy why 35 is the new limit. If it is weight related, then using the settings that you have specified above, with the 'use core weights' set to 'on' will probably overcome this barrier. Keep in mind that with this configuration; if you have an item in the cart weighing 22kgs, the software will assume you can cut it in half and quote for 2x11kg parcels.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:19 PM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

I understand not everything can be free, but I do not agree with the way this move to fee service was done.

To just make the service "not work" anymore, causing the site to display a blank page, is in very poor form.

This happened to a customer's site, I will tell her why it has happened, and if she chooses to pay, that is her prerogative, but I do not like the idea of supporting these kinds of practices.

Perhaps it's because of zen cart's limitations, but this "Fee service" is not even explained in the download page here on zen cart!

I can understand if a newer and better fee based service was developed, and then support for the older free one was discontinued, but to just cut people off with no explanation really sucks. I don't think I've seen anything like it before.

I think it's ironic that your site tagline is "You never know what you will find". In light of these changes, that really becomes quite a negative statement. Great, what will happen next?

11 Sep 2010, 3:37 PM
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but I do not agree with the way this move to fee service was done.
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I don't think I've seen anything like it before.

Sorry, I don't appear to have any records of your email address, and didn't know that either you, or your customer were even using an obsolete version of the module. If I had this knowledge I would have personally sent you emails detailing the changes.

I had also assumed that a merchant and/or developer would be checking in and/or subscribed to the support forums for the module(s) being used on a regular basis (at least monthly) to stay on top of security issues, etc.

I now know this assumption is wrong, but unless you and/or your client keeps up with things, the failure of a shipping module sooner or later is going to be the least of your concerns.

Cheers
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11 Sep 2010, 5:01 PM
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I am another victim of OZPOST / VCSWEB.

My site was effectively shutdown without warning due to VCSWEB changing to a FEE Model.

The arrogance of the above response from Rod is astounding.

Why couldn't users of OZPOST be sent a message? I run a small business, I have no time to myself, I am flat out keeping it running and expanding. I don't have time to browse the support forums for a product that seems to be working fine.

The onus, without doubt, was on VCSWEB to advise all users that their sites would be made inoperative.

Your reason for imposing the FEE is so you can add features to the product. If you wanted to make an feature rich product that you could charge for, go ahead do it. I am quite happy with just the Australia Post functionality of the product. I don't want any more features.

So, what are my options? None, I have to keep the site running. I paid the ransom.

Now looking/hoping for an alternative.

I feel like I have been bushwacked.

Shane

11 Sep 2010, 11:12 PM
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This is disgusting! Like the above poster I dont have the time to come reading the forum every month, I spend 10+ hours a day 7 days a week keeping the business going and now I have piles of emails to get through on a sunday morning asking whats wrong with the shipping and please quote me the shipping cost!

If you want to start charging for a product that has always been promoted as free then you need to contact all the users and you need to learn a little about customer service. Just cutting off our access is a very low thing to do, my reputation, mortgage, living expenses all rely on my website 100% and you have just cut me off without even a word of contact...

How do I fix this??? Not all of us are computer gurus, I struggle through keeping up with zencart and keeping it running, I cannot afford to pay a developer to run my site.

12 Sep 2010, 12:38 AM
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I have only just come across this now when a customer emailed to say she couldn't get passed the checkout stage. I tried to do a dummy order and the same happened when I tried and no shipping options came up either.

So how do we get access to it. How much do we have to pay, how do we pay and to whom do we pay?

As a temporary fix though I have just added a flat rate cost for parcels.

Thank you.

Anna
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12 Sep 2010, 5:02 AM
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I paid the fee this morning and am still waiting!!! When I logged back onto VCSWEB it tells me I have made no purchases!! The checkout system is not reliable, I had terrible trouble purchasing a subscription to the ozpost module, and have had nothing but a paypal invoice come through email.

Not impressed at all, I have spent years running online businesses and would have gone broke if I did things like this.

The weekend is the busiest time for my business, especially when the weather is bad, vcsweb is costing me money!

12 Sep 2010, 6:08 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

Hi Rod

RodG:

If you enable the 'debug' option when testing/experimenting you'll probably be able to identfy why 35 is the new limit.

I enabled the debug option then ordered 80 cubes and it gave me the error: "Server Returned:
RPP0.00-1Invalid weight parameter 11.05 0.00 AIRDS AIRDS 362"

If I enable the core weight option it is OK and spreads it over 3 parcels. However the postage calculation is then slightly off, eg: a large letter is $1.00 instead of $1.20 a small parcel is $4.00 instead of $4.55. It seems to round it down to the nearest dollar??

Rob

12 Sep 2010, 7:02 AM
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bolts:

My site was effectively shutdown without warning

This is a grossly inaccurate statement. When your 60 day trial period had expired the ozpost shipping module simply stopped providing quotes. It didn't stop anyones store from working, it didn't stop users from selecting other shipping methods, it didn't prevent anyone from checking out.

bolts:

Why couldn't users of OZPOST be sent a message?

We have no idea who is using the module, and server log files don't conatain email addresses. So other than relying on this forum (and the few emails that we have from previous correspondence with users) how exactly were we supposed to do this?

bolts:

I run a small business, I have no time to myself, I am flat out keeping it running and expanding. I don't have time to browse the support forums for a product that seems to be working fine.

Congratulations, you have just nominated yourself to be a future victim of a hack attack... No, not from anything I am going to do or say (or have said), but your open acknowledgement that your zencart is grossly outdated and simply waiting to be exploited.. Thankfully you didn't publisize your store name or URL, but I'm sure an interested hacker wouldn't have too much trouble finding it.

I have been critisised in the past for not notifying users of important changes and/or security fixes and this is another reason We've moved towards a saubscriber system, so that we can keep individuals up to date.

bolts:

The onus, without doubt, was on VCSWEB to advise all users that their sites would be made inoperative.

Except for rhe vocal few in this forum, that have clearly neglected thier stores (and I'm sure there will be more to come) MOST ozpost users appear to have accepted this change with good grace, some by using other shipping methods, others by supporting what I am doing.

I can only apologise so much to those of you that haven't kept abreast of things, and I do actually sympahise with you if the expirations has been your first indication, but on the other hand, I've found two types of people in this regard... Those like you that make a lot of noise saying how criminal it is, and those that have sent me polite email stating this was the first they knew about it. Guess which people have been given extensions so that they can review thier options?

bolts:

Your reason for imposing the FEE is so you can add features to the product.

I don't know where you got that idea from. It is mainly to allow me to devote more time to the project... This time may not even go towards zencart users specifically - I also have the OsC folk and their needs to consider, not to mention, CubeCart, OpenCart, and a few others.

bolts:

So, what are my options? None,

This is also untrue. Ozpost is in its infancy. Zencart, etc, has been around for a lot longer and yet people coped with the shipping ok.

bolts:

I have to keep the site running. I paid the ransom.
Now looking/hoping for an alternative.

You have had at least two months to look for an alternative.

bolts:

I feel like I have been bushwacked.
Shane

Me too (often) .... but at least now I'm getting something out of it.

Oh, and for those you that are interested.. although early days yet, the dropout rate hasn't been as high as I had expected (95% vs 98%).. so it is looking as though the project will be be a success (which is a relief, 'cos I'd hate to start giving refunds and closing the servers down now).

Cheers
Rod

12 Sep 2010, 7:48 AM
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Re: ozpost shipping module

robbie269:

I enabled the debug option then ordered 80 cubes and it gave me the error: "Server Returned:
RPP0.00-1Invalid weight parameter

This is Australia Post telling us that you've exceeded to 20kg limit.
If you had other carriers enabled their quotes would be shown as they are not subject to the RPP limit.

robbie269:

If I enable the core weight option it is OK and spreads it over 3 parcels. However the postage calculation is then slightly off, eg: a large letter is $1.00 instead of $1.20 a small parcel is $4.00 instead of $4.55. It seems to round it down to the nearest dollar??

Rob

This is a bug.
The fix is very easy, and can be found here

Cheers
Rod

12 Sep 2010, 8:03 AM
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Thanks Rod that fixed it.
I thought I had read it somewhere but when I needed it I couldn't find it!

Rob

12 Sep 2010, 8:16 AM
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ExtremeRC:

I paid the fee this morning and am still waiting!!! When I logged back onto VCSWEB it tells me I have made no purchases!! The checkout system is not reliable,
I had terrible trouble purchasing a subscription to the ozpost module, and have had nothing but a paypal invoice come through email.

I'm tempted to report this to the zencart team as a bug report because we are running the latest zencart with no addons or modifications to the checkout system and the stock standard PayPal Express.

Alas, you are the first to report this as an issue, so I doub't I'll be able to convince them it is a bug. Unless of course you have something to add that will give a further clue to this zencart issue?

ExtremeRC:

Not impressed at all, I have spent years running online businesses and would have gone broke if I did things like this.

Things should have started working ok for you at around 3pm this afternoon.. Please advise if this is not the case... I needed to manually match the storename you specified (https://www.extremerc.com.au) with the storename on record (Extreme Radio Control?).

ExtremeRC:

The weekend is the busiest time for my business, especially when the weather is bad, vcsweb is costing me money!

It is my hope that the loss or non-operation of 'ozpost' is going to cost lots of merchants lots of money, because that is what will show how much it is truely worth in comparison with the free alternatives ... or not.
Ozpost isn't for everyone.

Cheers
Rod

12 Sep 2010, 8:38 AM
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RodG:

I'm tempted to report this to the zencart team as a bug report because we are running the latest zencart with no addons or modifications to the checkout system and the stock standard PayPal Express.

Alas, you are the first to report this as an issue, so I doub't I'll be able to convince them it is a bug. Unless of course you have something to add that will give a further clue to this zencart issue?

Things should have started working ok for you at around 3pm this afternoon.. Please advise if this is not the case... I needed to manually match the storename you specified (https://www.extremerc.com.au) with the storename on record (Extreme Radio Control?).

It is my hope that the loss or non-operation of 'ozpost' is going to cost lots of merchants lots of money, because that is what will show how much it is truely worth in comparison with the free alternatives ... or not.
Ozpost isn't for everyone.

Cheers
Rod

I've just subscribed and was wondering when I can expect the cart to work again. I also tried phoning, but it went to message bank.
Thanks in advance - Pink Sugar Design

12 Sep 2010, 8:43 AM
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pinksugardesign:

I've just subscribed and was wondering when I can expect the cart to work again. I also tried phoning, but it went to message bank.
Thanks in advance - Pink Sugar Design

Scrap that, It says I have 181 days but when I go through checkout it is saying "This is currently the only shipping method available to use on this order."
I've set up the module, what may have gone wrong? Do I need to wait for it to set up on the server still?