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11 Jan 2007, 6:59 PM
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Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Just wondering -- you probably already examined this, Betty, but what about using the Attributes Controller to assign a unique shipping cost to each product? Option name = Shipping, Value = "Drop-shipping for this item," etc.

This way, orders may contain multiple products without complicating the selection of a singular shipping method. During Checkout, buyer gets an "Itemized shipping: see product detail" for the default Shipping Method, and the cost for this is 0 (because the shipping charges are already itemized in the product detail).

Just a thought. :)

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12 Jan 2007, 5:54 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Adding the shipping as an attribute loses the functionality of products without attributes where listings and such can quickly be added with the multiple input box ...

Adding products can only be done from the product _info page ...

If all products are a fixed shipping price then you could use the Per Unit perweightunit Shipping Module which uses the products_weight as the actual shipping cost * unit cost * qty on a per product basis ...

12 Jan 2007, 5:55 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Good point, Linda. I take this compromise for granted since my head's been buried in my own site, where most of my products require selecting options, e.g. "number of windows," when adding to cart. These, of course, cannot be added from anywhere other than the product info page. Not a big deal when base price for every product is a couple thousand dollars, but for small-ticket items, I can see where one would need the ability to add multiple products simultaneously from index/listing.

To clarify my initial note, the shipping adjustment I need differs from the product-specific drop-shipping rate scenario. I have two product categories -- each in its own product type -- one of which ships flat rate or in-store pickup, but never UPS. The other category/type always ships UPS (never in-store or flat rate).

Seems hard to imagine until you realize every UPS-only product weighs less than 50 lbs, while every non-UPS product weighs over 1,000 lbs.

Given its weight, every non-UPS product disables UPS during checkout -- that is, UPS does not appear as an available shipping method. (Good.)

My problem is with those light-weight UPS-only products. Though the UPS module employs a maximum weight, neither the flat rate module nor the in-store pickup module employs a minimum weight. So, when purchasing what should be an UPS-only product, the buyer may select UPS (okay), flat rate (bad) or in-store pickup (even worse).

I suppose (thinking out loud here) I could frankenstein some minimum-weight requirements for in-store pickup and flat rate shipping modules, mimicking the maximum-weight requirement of the UPS module. I guess the deal falls apart if a buyer tries to simultaneously purchase a UPS-only product and a non-UPS product -- but this doesn't happen in the real world.*

One solution I haven't yet explored: set a minimum weight for the entire order which enables flat rate and in-store pickup when true, else flat rate and in-store pickup are disabled. This way, even if non-UPS and UPS-only products are in the same cart, in-store pickup and flat rate are enabled while UPS is disabled ... because the sum of the product weights is greater than the flat rate/in-store pickup minimum, and the weight of one of the products is greater than the UPS maximum.

Conceivable? Or is everyone thoroughly confused now? :blush:


* To understand why it doesn't happen in the real world, you'd have to know something about the products and the people who buy them -- superfluous info in the context of this thread. Those who simply must see for themselves can visit shedkitz.com -- but time is money, so the wise will just take my word for it. :wink2:

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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Ajeh:

Adding the shipping as an attribute loses the functionality of products without attributes where listings and such can quickly be added with the multiple input box ...

Adding products can only be done from the product _info page ...

If all products are a fixed shipping price then you could use the Per Unit perweightunit Shipping Module which uses the products_weight as the actual shipping cost * unit cost * qty on a per product basis ...

This clients main source for dropshipping doesn't use any standard shipping fees or rates. Each item has it's own amount for shipping. It doesn't follow any category or product type scheme. Trying to use the regular shipping methods he has actually lost money on each item.

So the only way I can see the shipping working as it should would be for each item from this dropshipper having it's shipping set at the per item level with items that are shipped direct using the standard shipping methods.

I don't even know if giving each item it's own proper shipping amount would work right if a customer ordered a dropshipper item and a direct ship item in the same order.

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30 Jan 2007, 11:06 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Heh, nice to hear my module is helping some people out. Here's a link to the most recent version

https://www.sexycrochetlingerie.com/purchaseorders.zip

30 Jan 2007, 1:49 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

By the way, I managed to remedy my shipping dilemma by cloning freeoptions (renaming it flatoptions) and setting a minimum weight in flatoptions exceeding the UPS maximum. This way, flat rate and free pickup-at-shipper-terminal don't appear on orders that are small enough to ship UPS. Meanwhile, orders that only ship on a palette (e.g. 800+ lbs) invoke pickup-at-shipper (freeoptions) and flat rate curbside (flatoptions).

Any luck yet with that different-drop-ship-rate-for-every-product problem?

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30 Jan 2007, 4:45 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

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Heh, nice to hear my module is helping some people out. Here's a link to the most recent version

https://www.sexycrochetlingerie.com/purchaseorders.zip

I've not seen that one before. Looks great though! I may have to install that to check it out. Does it do anything with custom shipping for each supplier, though? That is the primary reason that I've been working on this new module, as I need something that can give quotes based on each supplier's location and preferred shipping carrier. I didn't see anything about it in the readme file, but everything else sounds really nice.

1 Mar 2007, 3:49 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

I know that when shopping on Amazon this multi-vendor shipping is handled very well.

It's hard to believe that this CAN'T be accomplished with zencart. I mean it seems that each product SHOULD have a vendor specification (if only for admin purposes). There is a manufacturer specification.

Would it be possible to use that manufacturer identity (hiding it from catalog view) and use it to designate vendors? Using that, something could be written to first identify each product by its vendor in the cart and if multiple vendors are present it could add an additional fee or somehow figure the additional shipping.

I have multiple vendors and I'm basically playing roulette with my profits by not having this type of modification present. Luckily it has only been an issue a few times.

I'm in the process of learning PHP and mySQL myself right now. i also know a php programmer but he's extremely busy of course. I would like to see this happen.

1 Mar 2007, 4:03 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Interesting idea, Sam. Maybe the cart/checkout could be modified to first check shipping limitations of each product in the cart, and then disable all related shipping methods except the costliest one. So if the cart contains a mix of, say, FedEx-only products, UPS-only products and USPS products, the only shipping method offered would be FedEx.

Does anyone else like this approach? How could it better serve the needs of the greatest number of stores?

Just thinking, talking, re-thinking ...
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1 Mar 2007, 4:22 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

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It's hard to believe that this CAN'T be accomplished with zencart. I mean it seems that each product SHOULD have a vendor specification (if only for admin purposes). There is a manufacturer specification.

It isn't that it can't be done with Zen Cart ... it is a matter of it hasn't been done with Zen Cart ...

This would require quite a bit of custom coding to allow for multiple drop shipping on a per product per order basis ...

All it takes is a lot of time and possibly $$$ to get the code written to handle this method ...

1 Mar 2007, 7:04 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

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Interesting idea, Sam. Maybe the cart/checkout could be modified to first check shipping limitations of each product in the cart, and then disable all related shipping methods except the costliest one. So if the cart contains a mix of, say, FedEx-only products, UPS-only products and USPS products, the only shipping method offered would be FedEx.

Does anyone else like this approach? How could it better serve the needs of the greatest number of stores?

Just thinking, talking, re-thinking ...
Sean

How would a system like this work with the suppliers who do not base their shipping price on weight or carrier? A clients main supplier has shipping prices assigned to each item on the inventory list. It's not by cateogry, type of item, weight, etc. It is different for every item. The total item list is 10,000+ different products.

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1 Mar 2007, 7:25 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

That's a conundrum, Betty. If my store had a different flat rate for every product, I'd be tempted to add each product's shipping charge as an option/attribute and then change the description for flat rate shipping to something generic like "shipping calculated with product price" -- so the shipping module doesn't charge for shipping, but the attribute does. This way, you get to assign product-specific shipping rates without totally reinventing the cart and checkout.

Are there a lot of stores whose shipping model resembles yours in that shipping rates are different for every product?

Sean> bettysue:

How would a system like this work with the suppliers who do not base their shipping price on weight or carrier? A clients main supplier has shipping prices assigned to each item on the inventory list. It's not by cateogry, type of item, weight, etc. It is different for every item. The total item list is 10,000+ different products.

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1 Mar 2007, 7:33 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

That is why this has to be coded custom ...

Some sites need to have it based on a manufactuer's table for zones and others need it based on the manufactuer's zip code to obtain rates for modules like UPS or USPS and compute the totals for the quote ...

And the computation has to take into account mixed manufactuer's and what to do with products that are not managed by the manufactuer but rather the shop zip code and product weight ...

It is not a simple one to write but it can be written ...

1 Mar 2007, 7:51 PM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

That makes sense. Our site is relatively simple shipping-wise -- big products ship via common carrier, medium products ship via UPS, big/medium combinations via common carrier -- and even we needed to tweak a few lines of code. But our shipping model probably bears no resemblance to any of the other ZC stores out there.

When developing cart/checkout for Zen-Cart, I suppose one must aim for something that meets the needs of the greatest number of stores -- knowing all the while that many stores will still find it necessary to invest substantial programming resources in order to satisfy their special shipping needs. > Ajeh:

That is why this has to be coded custom ...

Some sites need to have it based on a manufactuer's table for zones and others need it based on the manufactuer's zip code to obtain rates for modules like UPS or USPS and compute the totals for the quote ...

And the computation has to take into account mixed manufactuer's and what to do with products that are not managed by the manufactuer but rather the shop zip code and product weight ...

It is not a simple one to write but it can be written ...

2 Mar 2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Let us not forget the dropshippers that charge actual shipping prices, but add a surcharge either per item, or if the order is under a certain amount, etc. There are also a few who sell individual drop ship items, but may have a few small items that you need to buy a dozen of at a time even if you only sold one.

There are so many variables that could be used in shipping, it makes a girl dizzy! <at least this girl>

<btw tvadpro - VERY nice looking site!>

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2 Mar 2007, 2:24 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Thanks for the compliment, Betty -- always nice to get one from someone who isn't trying to sell me something. :wink2:

Yeah, it sounds like your project mandates a fair amount of custom coding. Contracting the tailor-made programming could be the difference between a productive site and a bunch of abandoned carts.> bettysue:

Let us not forget the dropshippers that charge actual shipping prices, but add a surcharge either per item, or if the order is under a certain amount, etc. There are also a few who sell individual drop ship items, but may have a few small items that you need to buy a dozen of at a time even if you only sold one.

There are so many variables that could be used in shipping, it makes a girl dizzy! <at least this girl>

<btw tvadpro - VERY nice looking site!>

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16 Mar 2007, 12:07 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

I have been fighting the multiple dropshipper problem for a while also, and had a idea on how it could be implemented (assuming somebody else did the coding because I am a systems engineer and know absolutely nothing about PHP coding) :unsure:

Could each "Product Type" be assigned a different shipping module using the same concept currently used for changing the site layout with custom layout templates?

The Product Types would be pseudonames associated with the warehouse or manufacturer that is shipping the item, and the Product Type would be assigned when the item added to the database, as currently done.

The shipping module would either be implicitly assigned as the Product Type, or assigned as an attribute as part of the Product Type Layout.

I suspect this would also effect the shopping cart if each Product Type has a minimum shipping cost

Just a thought... Sorry if I am rehashing an old idea:bored:

16 Mar 2007, 6:34 AM
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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

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Could each "Product Type" be assigned a different shipping module using the same concept currently used for changing the site layout with custom layout templates?Do not interpret this as a recommendation, as I have no experience with the mod whatsoever -- but earlier today I glanced at the description of Wally's contribution Drop Shipping Supplier Interface, and your post made me wonder if you had looked into it yet. Scanning that mod's support thread, I think it might have problems on servers running PHP 4 -- so Caveat developor!

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Re: Shipping Setting for Multiple Dropshippers

Too bad you couldn't add a zip code to the Manufacturers settings and have the shipping module look at that when a product is set up. I don't know squat about PHP, so if sounds dumb... lemme know.. but it makes sense to me. I've used online shopping cart companies that allow you to enter a zip code in similar methods.

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