Ceon URI Mapping v4.x

DivaVocals:

and, unless I'm mistaken, Conor provided a HINT in his documentation how to achieve option one.. (a hint I posted about in my previous response)

but what do I know "living in my mom's basement sitting on this forum all day" and all..:laugh:

can't find that 'hint' anywhere..

DivaVocals:

An attitude eh?? Oh.. okay.. :laugh:

No attitude.. trying to point you in the right direction.. but clearly you are free to interpret my responses as such..

You don't want to read through the thread??? that's fine.. So here's the long and short..

If Conor was alive he would have probably jumped in and helped you out for no charge as he did for everyone else here.. He's no longer with us, and what you want is very specific. I'm sure this module can do it based on my own usage of it.. So I gave you the hints and suggestion I do have to help you.. There's no QUICK answer to this, and I am not sure that you are going to get much more in depth assistance here beyond that now that Conor is gone.. So I still suggest that you give some thought to hiring someone who has a good understanding of the right Ceon setup and .httaccess you will need to support what you are trying to do..

Happy Zenning..

this all begs the next question as to who supports his software (of all kinds) that is being sold on his website??

tyankee:

this all begs the next question as to who supports his software (of all kinds) that is being sold on his website??None of us knows the answer to this.. Conor was the only face of Ceon that we all knew.. I don't know who is "team" might have been, but if I had to GUESS, it's doubtful it extended beyond Conor..

Live from my mother's basement..

Hint..

DivaVocals:

2. Re-Read through the readme.. One thing Conor was REALLY good at (besides writing GREAT modules) is writing thorough documentation for his modules. I found the following in a QUICK glance through the readme that comes with this module

Modifying the rule to allow URI mappings to be used which end with a particular file extension

countrycharm:

Yes you need to get out and find a job....... :)
Yes I do..:yes: Because I don't have one..:no: Do you think that maybe when I do get a job/life I can FINALLY move out of my mother's basement and stop spending all day on this forum??:smartalec:

still amused

DivaVocals:

Live from my mother's basement..

Hint..

of course i've read this - it's in the documentation - but it doesn't fit what i've been asking for.. i'm hoping there are other business owners out there who have migrated from another software to Zen Cart.. they'll know how it's done.. it's a must have - that's why i'm surprised there's no module out there for it.

DivaVocals:

Yes I do..:yes: Because I don't have one..:no: Do you think that maybe when I do get a job/life I can FINALLY move out of my mother's basement and stop spending all day on this forum??:smartalec:

still amused

Yes when you find that job you can move out of the basement :laugh:

Yes Conor was so happy when he launch his new site. This is what he said to me and I know it off topic but I wanted to share.

In other news, when I do get to work, I'm finally getting things going
the way I want.. I spent Friday, Sat and Sun last week trying to
decide on four URIs for my new website.. that's it, just picking URIs!
Had to drink several glasses of Bailey's and eat lots of chocolate to
keep me awake, but on Sunday I finally made the last of the decisions
and things are well on track now. :)

Well, the above's not quite true I suppose! The reason "picking URIs"
was important is that they reflect the restructuring of Ceon, finally,
into the software company I want it to be, with Zen Cart simply being
a part of the general Ceon empire. Once I could decide on
restructuring format, the URIs became part of it (so I was really
picking them in a "roundabout" way).. anyway, who cares about the
URIs, main thing is Ceon's moving the right way at last... :)

Feeling good now because of what I've achieved, releasing a new
ceon.net for the first time since 2003/2004, moving sites into the
places they should be, bringing new automated version check/IP address
check systems online.. oh, oh, so pleased with Ceon being reborn..
finally my 14 year reboot has begun!

I've been working on Ceon Product Variants today and restructuring
things in my other modules during the week.. I am getting so close to
bringing everything together and getting all the module releases out..
great! Of course, if I didn't have to keep napping I'd have been done
weeks ago but well, that's life!

tyankee:

nice and succinct - thanks.. but i guess i'm still at a loss as to how to do step one.. and yes i've read the documenation and FAQ's about 5 times now.. if you could point me to the part in the documentation that spells out step one that would be outstanding..

Where is your test zencart with CEON installed so we can see your progress?

Took a look at your current sites, pretty nice. But I guess you're too busy (not in the basement) to take down your holiday banner on your sword site?

SPH:

Where is your test zencart with CEON installed so we can see your progress?

Took a look at your current sites, pretty nice. But I guess you're too busy (not in the basement) to take down your holiday banner on your sword site?

thanks for the notice on the banner.. and yes too many things to do.. it's rotated in so at least everyone won't see it.. i only put one product up to test the new zen cart at http://medievalclothing.co/. played around with the database tables like the instructions suggested and they do work like the documentation says but it still doesn't help me.. and yet the sales propaganda says that it works for migrations from old URL's.. but yet to find it..

tyankee:

of course i've read this - it's in the documentation - but it doesn't fit what i've been asking for.. i'm hoping there are other business owners out there who have migrated from another software to Zen Cart.. they'll know how it's done.. it's a must have - that's why i'm surprised there's no module out there for it.
Well then you need to explain something or else NO ONE is going to be able to help you.. Why exactly do you think that section of the documentation doesn't cover what you are trying to do?? It sounds EXACTLY like what you are trying to do. (and it sounds just like what lhungil described as one of your options..)

This is what that section of the readme says

Modifying the rule to allow URI mappings to be used which end with a particular file extension (e.g. “.html”).

                              The example rewrite rule by default does not rewrite URIs ending  with a 2 to 5 letter file extension, to avoid wasteful attempts by the  later rules to check if image files, CSS files etc. should have their  URIs rewritten, and for maximum compatibility with other software being  used to run the site.
             **However, some stores may want to use particular extensions - for  example “.html” or “.php” - at the end of its URIs, possibly to match up  with advertising literature, or to re-map URIs from a previous site.**

             It's easy to let the Ceon URI Mapping module manage URIs with any file extension by making a simple change to the rewrite rule.

The section goes on to explain how to setup the .htaccess file to do this with this module.. How is this DIFFERENT from what you have stated you are trying to do???

DivaVocals:

Well then you need to explain something or else NO ONE is going to be able to help you.. Why exactly do you think that section of the documentation doesn't cover what you are trying to do?? It sounds EXACTLY like what you are trying to do. (and it sounds just like what lhungil described as one of your options..)

This is what that section of the readme says

The section goes on to explain how to setup the .htaccess file to do this with this module.. How is this DIFFERENT from what you have stated you are trying to do???

To add to this.. I just tried on a test site I had up and running with this module installed. I followed the instruction in the section of Conor's readme that I am referring to and entered "gc1041017.html" for my test product's URI and IT WORKED.. so please explain HOW this section of the documentation not help you achieve what you originally posted you are trying to accomplish??

tyankee:

here's the actual URL with autogenerated URL's - http://medievalclothing.co/hobby-stone/merlins-magic
but when i put gc1041017.html in the URL mapping field, the site tries to bring up http://medievalclothing.co/gc1041017.html and it says it does not exist.
and don't read any emotions into my posts, I'm simply asking for clarification..

if this section of the readme for this module doesn't do what you are trying to do then it's going to be difficult for ANYONE here to help you.. So some clarification might be necessary.. You might also want to post your .htaccess file too..

DivaVocals:

Well then you need to explain something or else NO ONE is going to be able to help you.. Why exactly do you think that section of the documentation doesn't cover what you are trying to do?? It sounds EXACTLY like what you are trying to do. (and it sounds just like what lhungil described as one of your options..)

This is what that section of the readme says

The section goes on to explain how to setup the .htaccess file to do this with this module.. How is this DIFFERENT from what you have stated you are trying to do???

yes it does explain how to setup the htaccess file to do this with this module but i already CAN redirect all of my old URL's to the new ones using htaccess but it would require over 5000 statements for over 5000 pages - and that's just dumb.. and i can do that without using this module.. i thought this module had a feature that allowed you to enter your old URL in the product table, which would convert/redirect to the new URL that it creates.. that's is what would be useful.. I had a programmer do that for us a few years back when we were converting to the Sunshop store.. You put the old URL into the product table and then there is some process that checks that and shows the user the new URL.. that way the search engines don't delist all of your indexed pages. and yes 5000 301 redirects in the htaccess would accomplish that but not sure that's the best way to do it..

DivaVocals:

To add to this.. I just tried on a test site I had up and running with this module installed. I followed the instruction in the section of Conor's readme that I am referring to and entered "gc1041017.html" for my test product's URI and IT WORKED.. so please explain HOW this section of the documentation not help you achieve what you originally posted you are trying to accomplish??

and don't read any emotions into my posts, I'm simply asking for clarification..

if this section of the readme for this module doesn't do what you are trying to do then it's going to be difficult for ANYONE here to help you.. So some clarification might be necessary.. You might also want to post your .htaccess file too..

where did you enter 'gc1041017.html'????? i tried entering that in the zen_cri_uri_mappings table (as stated) in the 'alternate uri' field and '301' in the 'redirection_type_code' field and left the uri field to the 'pretty' url that this module creates.. that is supposed to redirect to medievalclothing.co/gc1041017.html - and yes it does but i get a 404 page.. plus that's backwards of what i want and need.. this effect is that the URL generated through CEON redirects to another URL.. i need the OLD URL to redirect to the new CEON generated URL..

tyankee:

yes it does explain how to setup the htaccess file to do this with this module but i already CAN redirect all of my old URL's to the new ones using htaccess but it would require over 5000 statements for over 5000 pages - and that's just dumb.. and i can do that without using this module.. i thought this module had a feature that allowed you to enter your old URL in the product table, which would convert/redirect to the new URL that it creates.. that's is what would be useful.. I had a programmer do that for us a few years back when we were converting to the Sunshop store.. You put the old URL into the product table and then there is some process that checks that and shows the user the new URL.. that way the search engines don't delist all of your indexed pages. and yes 5000 301 redirects in the htaccess would accomplish that but not sure that's the best way to do it..
I swear I am not trying to be difficult here, but it doesn't sound like you read this section or you are not understanding how to configure this to get to your end result.. no part of this section says ANYTHING about creating "5000 statements". You make ONE SMALL CHANGE to your .htaccess file and then all you need to do is enter the URI you want into the URI field on the product page.

Now since you have over 5000 URLs to bring over, this is probably not practical to do manually.. So the solution will be to create a SQL script to populate the URI table for this module. If you are handy enough with SQL you can create a SQL statement to populate the URI table for this module with your current store's URLs. There's a few ways to get a list of your current store's URLs. (Google WebMaster might have some tools to help you do this)

The Mapping Manager module will not help you with this task because you are bringing in URLs from a different shopping cart and not another Zen Cart re-writing module. From the Mapping Manager inferface > Ceon URI Mappings Manager could not identify any other URI/SEO software in use for this store. At this time, only Ultimate SEO URLs, Simple SEO URLs or Magic SEO URLs can be identified. So the Mapping Manager cannot import URLs from a different shopping cart system.

Also if the Mapping Manager is the module you are trying to get help with we are really not allowed to discuss support issues/questions for commercial modules in details on this forum (the admins discourage this)

tyankee:

where did you enter 'gc1041017.html'????? i tried entering that in the zen_cri_uri_mappings table (as stated) in the 'alternate uri' field and '301' in the 'redirection_type_code' field and left the uri field to the 'pretty' url that this module creates.. that is supposed to redirect to medievalclothing.co/gc1041017.html - and yes it does but i get a 404 page.. plus that's backwards of what i want and need.. this effect is that the URL generated through CEON redirects to another URL.. i need the OLD URL to redirect to the new CEON generated URL..
I manually edited the product and entered "gc1041017.html" in the URI field.

Specifying the current URI Mapping for a Product

	 		Specifying the current URI mapping for a Product, for each language used by the store, is easily accomplished:

• Use Catalog > Categories/Products to navigate to the product the desired product is within.

• Click the (green) icon for “Edit” alongside the product's name or click the “New Product” button if adding a new product.

   		The URI mapping can be automatically generated using the store's URI mapping auto-generation settings:

• The URI mapping fields can be found at the bottom of the page.

• Simply tick the URI mapping auto-generation text box and click “Preview”.

• The URI mapping will then be generated using the full path to the current product and the name of the product. For stores with multiple languages, a URI mapping will be generated for each language, using the respective product names entered for each language.

• The auto-generated URI mappings for each language the store is using will be displayed below the product's description.

• Click “Update” to save the product's information, including its URI mapping(s).

DivaVocals:

I swear I am not trying to be difficult here, but it doesn't sound like you read this section or you are not understanding how to configure this to get to your end result.. no part of this section says ANYTHING about creating "5000 statements". You make ONE SMALL CHANGE to your .htaccess file and then all you need to do is enter the URI you want into the URI field on the product page.

Now since you have over 5000 URLs to bring over, this is probably not practical to do manually.. So the solution will be to create a SQL script to populate the URI table for this module. If you are handy enough with SQL you can create a SQL statement to populate the URI table for this module with your current store's URLs. There's a few ways to get a list of your current store's URLs. (Google WebMaster might have some tools to help you do this)

The Mapping Manager module will not help you with this task because you are bringing in URLs from a different shopping cart and not another Zen Cart re-writing module. From the Mapping Manager inferface So the Mapping Manager cannot import URLs from a different shopping cart system.

Also if the Mapping Manage is the module you are trying to get help with we are really not allowed to discuss support issues/questions for commercial modules in details on this forum (the admins discourage this)

we're getting closer here i think.. i just thing we're speaking 2 different 'languages'.. and my language of htaccess is very very limited and i may be missing the point there.. but after saying that, i think we're getting closer. the good thing is that our current database table for products HAS the URL hard coded into a field - so it can be extracted along with the product number.. but then i'm still unclear as to what needs to be done to the cri_uri_mappings table.. are you saying to put the OLD URL in the URI field and the NEW CEON one in the 'alternate_uri' field?? and then configure the htaccess as stated in the docs?? if this is the case, then where do i go to find someone to help me with this..

DivaVocals:

I manually edited the product and entered "gc1041017.html" in the URI field.

the product itself?? or the CEON mapping table??

DivaVocals:

I manually edited the product and entered "gc1041017.html" in the URI field.

btw, i see where you might be a Mustang afficionado?? if so, did you check out my mustang site at http://mustangtraderonline.com. used to be our number #1 with over 20000 visitors per day - until Penguin..

tyankee:

the product itself?? or the CEON mapping table??

there is NO URI field that shows when you edit a product.. there is a field called Products URL and a field called URI Mapping.. i entered gc1041017.html in the URI Mapping field and when i accessed the product sure enough it tried to find gc1041017.html but came up with a 404 page not found.

tyankee:

we're getting closer here i think.. i just thing we're speaking 2 different 'languages'.. and my language of htaccess is very very limited and i may be missing the point there.. but after saying that, i think we're getting closer. the good thing is that our current database table for products HAS the URL hard coded into a field - so it can be extracted along with the product number.. but then i'm still unclear as to what needs to be done to the cri_uri_mappings table.. are you saying to put the OLD URL in the URI field and the NEW CEON one in the 'alternate_uri' field?? and then configure the htaccess as stated in the docs?? if this is the case, then where do i go to find someone to help me with this..
My message has been consistent.. I told you early on that the solution was likely in your .htaccess file, and what section of the documentation to get you on your way to your desired solution.. What you did not disclose fully was that you are attempting to use the Mapping Manager or updating the DB manually to accomplish your task. If that was clear early on all of us could have given you a better answer. (without the "living in your mother's basement" comment BTW..)

Now that said.. You need to make the changes to your .htaccess file as Conor specified in the readme file so that your .html URIs will work correctly.

THEN you will need to populate the ceon_uri_mappings table with your exported URIs. I suggest creating one manually so you see exactly what fields you need to populate. (the 'alternate_uri' field is NOT populated)

You will need to do some work to your exported URIs so that each new URI record is linked to the correct product ID. Now you may not need to worry about importing your category IDs and if you don't. then you can just configure this program to generate your categories in the format you want, then the Mapping Manager will take care of generating your category URIs. However you will probably want to import your category URIs too.. (using the same process as the products)

Hopefully this is enough to put you on the path to getting this done.. Good luck..