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15 Apr 2011, 7:54 AM
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Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

aaargh you all beat me to it,

ideas girl

heres a demo page using the Ih2 rev 8

The initial image was uploaded when the product was added, the additional images were ftp'd up later

my large image settings are

IH watermark large images yes
IH large image compression quality 85
IH large image maximum width 750
IH large image maximum height 550

All 3 images have been watermarked by ImageHandler, and one of the additional images that was larger than my maximums was resized to fit within them

this is the raw image I uploaded that was bigger than the maximums
http://grumpykiwi.com/haeana/images/image8_01.jpg

15 Apr 2011, 8:14 AM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

yup, i upload all of them by ftp---main and additional ones and trust me they are all larger than what I have set for the max width which in my case I think is 900

15 Apr 2011, 3:44 PM
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Ok, ok... don't attack me, I was not critizising the module, neither your efforts, we all appreciate the time put into supporting the modules you guys/galls create, edit, and update; but saying my side of view...

First:

No more image hotzones - The hotzone feature added no real value to Image Handler2, and it has been removed.

I said: It did have real value. See... instead of having an annoying popup hover while you browse the shop, the visitor will have control of which images s/he wants to see bigger before going to the product info page. I thought (and I still think) that this was a very nice setting to have more control about the hovering bigger picture.
I never said that it was said that the hover didn't work. Look at my post and check that I was talking about the "HOTZONES". They worked perfectly for me and my customers. Here's an example of them working perfectly: couturebagz.com

Yes, it did have some bugs but they were "workable".

Medium image hover really was not implemented..
Sorry, my bad. I wasn't talking about the medium hover but the optimization into those sizes that I'm mentioning. But, since you mention that... That didn't bother me because it doesn't really make sense that if I'm on the product page and want to see a bigger image hover over it instead of just clicking and seeing the bigger image (but that's my opinion)

Second:
I never said watermark feature was not working, I said that the images uploaded by FTP (like my issue on post #6624) were not showing the watermark.

All my tests and opinions DO NOT INCLUDE LIGHTBOX, so that's why I didn't take that in consideration.

Now @DarkAngel and @nigelt74:
Based on my issue posted (#6624) and from your 2 latest posts, I ask:
When uploading the additional images, to what folder am I supposed to upload? to the large folder? subfolder? because maybe there is the clue. On the old IH2 I can upload just to the same subdirectory the main image is uploaded, and the other images are recreated on the other folders, so I'm doing it the same way on this version... So maybe that's my problem?

15 Apr 2011, 4:37 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Not attacking you at all girl..:hug: I'm just long winded..:laugh:

You know I love you because I LOVE Puerto Rico.. (Totally JEALOUS that you live in such a beautiful place!!)

ideasgirl:

I never said that it was said that the hover didn't work. Look at my post and check that I was talking about the "HOTZONES". They worked perfectly for me and my customers. Here's an example of them working perfectly: couturebagz.com

Yes, it did have some bugs but they were "workable".I understood.. I wanted to make sure that it was CLEAR for everyone following this thread since hotzones was an extension of the on-hover functionality..

Workable bugs unfortunately means that the feature doesn't work consistently, and that only creates support issues..

That said, while you may have gotten it to work, others had issues with it.. In QA testing for Rev 7 we began to look at hotzones and why it failed to work consistently. In Rev 8 development, neither ckosloff or Mano could figure out WHY. Therefore the feature was de-scoped.. From our standpoint there was no point in continuing to try and support a feature which did not work consistently. In the collective opinion of those working on the release in which the function was 1st "de-scoped", hotzones was a MINOR feature and NOT the primary reason to install IH2 in the first place.

There were BIGGER concerns with the Rev 7 and Rev 8 releases that needed to be addressed including PHP 1.53 compatibility, updates to the JS for better browsers compatibility, and updates for Zen Cart v1.3.9 compatibility. Therefore, fixing hotzones became a low priority.

It's removal did not affect the primary functionality of IH2 which is why we were comfortable with making this development scope decision. Like image hover, hotzones are simply a "cool nice to have" feature. IH2's BIGGEST value to a shop owner is in the resizing and image optimization features it offers. When we stated it added no value one way or the other to IH2 this is what we meant by that statement.

ideasgirl:

Sorry, my bad. I wasn't talking about the medium hover but the optimization into those sizes that I'm mentioning. But, since you mention that... That didn't bother me because it doesn't really make sense that if I'm on the product page and want to see a bigger image hover over it instead of just clicking and seeing the bigger image (but that's my opinion)I agree.. and I think this and lightbox integration issues is why Tim never went further with developing this feature.. The upcoming version (thanks to Nigel showing the way) allows you to choose medium or large image as the small image hover.. I think this adds more value to the image hover feature than medium image hover.

ideasgirl:

Second:
I never said watermark feature was not working, I said that the images uploaded by FTP (like my issue on post #6624) were not showing the watermark.Then this would indicate that the location you upload your images to are the issue... The watermark feature looks for additional images to be in the same folder as the primary product image.

ideasgirl:

All my tests and opinions DO NOT INCLUDE LIGHTBOX, so that's why I didn't take that in consideration.Noted.. I included that information because over time I have found that it's incorrectly implement lightbox installs that can cause issues with IH2.

ideasgirl:

When uploading the additional images, to what folder am I supposed to upload? to the large folder? subfolder? because maybe there is the clue. On the old IH2 I can upload just to the same subdirectory the main image is uploaded, and the other images are recreated on the other folders, so I'm doing it the same way on this version... So maybe that's my problem?That's exactly how it should work.. The additional images need to be located in the same folder as the primary product image..

15 Apr 2011, 5:33 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Not attacking you at all girl.. I'm just long winded..

You know I love you because I LOVE Puerto Rico.. (Totally JEALOUS that you live in such a beautiful place!!)
==========BOF OFF TOPIC==========
OH! I see...... so you are attacking me because you are jealous I'm from "Enchanted Island", "Pearl of the Caribbean", "Paradise on Earth"... Puerto Rico? :laugh:
Here you go: youtu.be/CvOLT7fjQ3Q ENJOY! :cheers:
I customer of mine from Ireland came last June but we couldn't meet because I wasn't here. I arrived a day later than when she left.
On May another customer is coming to attend a wedding, he said I was going to be his and his GF tour-guide.... we will see.
You are invited and we can meet for a coffee anytime :)

==========EOF OFF TOPIC==========

The bug of the hotzones I believe it was on the size settings. I really like it, like you say "not because it was the main purpose of the module, but like a little extra nice option to have", not always less is more. If I don't have that feature, I won't probably use the hover since I find it really annoying when browsing pages. Maybe just because I'm a control freak?! :eek: (((not))) it's really annoying.

Oh, and yes, that's where I'm uploading the images, so I don't have a clue of what's going on.

15 Apr 2011, 5:38 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Now you're just being MEAN!!!:laugh: Go ahead.. rub it in!!

Plan to make a return trip to PR ASAP.. Though dunno when as hubby has just indicated an interest in a trip to the DR.. (I'm sure because he found out they have some drag racing event happening!!:laugh:)

ideasgirl:

==========BOF OFF TOPIC==========
OH! I see...... so you are attacking me because you are jealous I'm from "Enchanted Island", "Pearl of the Caribbean", "Paradise on Earth"... Puerto Rico? :laugh:
Here you go: youtu.be/CvOLT7fjQ3Q ENJOY! :cheers:
I customer of mine from Ireland came last June but we couldn't meet because I wasn't here. I arrived a day later than when she left.
On May another customer is coming to attend a wedding, he said I was going to be his and his GF tour-guide.... we will see.
You are invited and we can meet for a coffee anytime :)

==========EOF OFF TOPIC==========

The bug of the hotzones I believe it was on the size settings. I really like it, like you say "not because it was the main purpose of the module, but like a little extra nice option to have", not always less is more. If I don't have that feature, I won't probably use the hover since I find it really annoying when browsing pages. Maybe just because I'm a control freak?! :eek: (((not))) it's really annoying.

Oh, and yes, that's where I'm uploading the images, so I don't have a clue of what's going on.

I can't remember WHAT about the hot zones was the issue (would have to look for the various e-mail son the topic), but I do know that it did not work as expected consistently.. Hence it was CUT from the team!:laugh:

I'll PM you later tonight.. Let's see if we can figure out what's going on with you..:smile:

15 Apr 2011, 5:57 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

I've tried several ways to get multiple images for a product, just adding more images with the same naming scheme and now I've installed Image Handler 2, still no dice:

Install seemed to go correctly, ran IH2 out of tools, went to the product where it sees 5 images for one particular product but only displays one?

I've pulled and re-added the images thru IH2 to see if that helped and still just one image?

Could it be because I am using a custom template that will not allow it?

The site is https://www.electronicCrap.com and the only product that is supposed to have multiple images at this time is here
http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17&products_id=26

Any assistance would be GREATLY appreciated :)

15 Apr 2011, 6:12 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

I've pulled and re-added the images thru IH2 to see if that helped and still just one image?
Go to your admin:
Catalog > Product Types > Product General > Edit Layout
Check if you have "Show Product Additional Images" as TRUE.

15 Apr 2011, 6:19 PM
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Yeppers it is set to 1 (true), .. I had checked that before but just checked again in case the IH2 install changed it back. Frustrating but thanks for trying!!

15 Apr 2011, 6:47 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Just make sure we are not comparing apples to oranges, this isn't an issue with IH2 for you.. As you stated, additional images wasn't working for you BEFORE you installed IH2..

This means it's possible that there's one of two things going on:

  1. Your custom template modifies the default Zen Cart functions which control additional image behavior.

If this is a template that you purchased from Template Monster (or one of their affiliates), given their reputation for routinely slashing out required Zen Cart code to make their template "look" good, this does not surprise me. If it is a Template Monstrosity template, you will need to go back to them and ask them to fix your template to restore the default additional image behavior.

Even if it's NOT a Template Monstrosity template it's possible that your template customizations removed some fo the required code to allow additional images to function..
2. The other option is that you have different file formats for your product images.. Please read through this support thread and the IH2 readme (where we very explicitly call this issue out). You can't have the main product image one file format with additional images another format.. (ie: JPG main image and PNG additional images)

it2steve:

I've tried several ways to get multiple images for a product, just adding more images with the same naming scheme and now I've installed Image Handler 2, still no dice:

Install seemed to go correctly, ran IH2 out of tools, went to the product where it sees 5 images for one particular product but only displays one?

I've pulled and re-added the images thru IH2 to see if that helped and still just one image?

Could it be because I am using a custom template that will not allow it?

The site is www.electronicCrap.com and the only product that is supposed to have multiple images at this time is here
http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17&products_id=26

Any assistance would be GREATLY appreciated :)

15 Apr 2011, 6:51 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

thanks for that info.. I don't think the template is from them but it makes sense that this could very well be the issue. And yes, the images weren't working BEFORE I installed IH2. Of course thinking I had done something incorrectly, I dropped IH2 in.

Thanks for the help. I will get with the creator and post any findings!

15 Apr 2011, 8:16 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

ideasgirl:

First:

I never said that it was said that the hover didn't work. Look at my post and check that I was talking about the "HOTZONES". They worked perfectly for me and my customers. Here's an example of them working perfectly: couturebagz.com

Yes, it did have some bugs but they were "workable".
But the hotzones are not working on that site, I can put my mouse anywhere on an image and the pop-up appears (using opera)

also go to this page

http://www.couturebagz.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=180_182

wait for it to completely load then test the image hover in chrome and opera (go down to the bottom of the page for both), as the hover doesn't work below the page fold.
Now go to the same page in IE9, wait for it to fully load, once its fully loaded the image hover ceases to work, some ie9 weirdness, the latest js should fix allthat, go back a few posts to find a link

ideasgirl:

Now @DarkAngel and @nigelt74:
Based on my issue posted (#6624) and from your 2 latest posts, I ask:
When uploading the additional images, to what folder am I supposed to upload? to the large folder? subfolder? because maybe there is the clue. On the old IH2 I can upload just to the same subdirectory the main image is uploaded, and the other images are recreated on the other folders, so I'm doing it the same way on this version... So maybe that's my problem?

I just upload them all into the same folder as the primary image

http://grumpykiwi.com/haeana/images/image8.jpg
http://grumpykiwi.com/haeana/images/image8_01.jpg
http://grumpykiwi.com/haeana/images/image8_02.jpg

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

it2steve:

I've tried several ways to get multiple images for a product, just adding more images with the same naming scheme and now I've installed Image Handler 2, still no dice:

Install seemed to go correctly, ran IH2 out of tools, went to the product where it sees 5 images for one particular product but only displays one?

I've pulled and re-added the images thru IH2 to see if that helped and still just one image?

Could it be because I am using a custom template that will not allow it?

The site is https://www.electronicCrap.com and the only product that is supposed to have multiple images at this time is here
http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17&products_id=26

Any assistance would be GREATLY appreciated :)

are all the images of the same type eg exactly the same file extension as zencart (additional images)treats jpeg as different to jpg and jpg as different to JPG

Can you provide a direct link to the image (not the image handler version)
something like electroniccrap<dot>com/store/images/thispictue.jpg

15 Apr 2011, 8:38 PM
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nigelt74:

But the hotzones are not working on that site, I can put my mouse anywhere on an image and the pop-up appears (using opera)

also go to this page

http://www.couturebagz.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=180_182

Ok I take that back hotzone is working in chrome (above the fold), but not in opera, in opera the whole image is the hotzone

16 Apr 2011, 3:42 AM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Ok I take that back hotzone is working in chrome (above the fold), but not in opera, in opera the whole image is the hotzone
I think that's an issue with the hover itself. I just took off the hotzone and has same behavior (I don't have Opera, please check).

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

I am having a problem with loading pics and them showing in image handler but not in my store. I found this thread:

http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84164

Most of the products Ive added are working fine, but the ones I checked to have a difference in the .jpg and .JPG extensions. In the thread it said you just needed to add a line in the .php but being a little new at this can anyone tell me how to access the area I need to edit?

Thank you.

16 Apr 2011, 9:59 AM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Wickedprops:

I am having a problem with loading pics and them showing in image handler but not in my store. I found this thread:

http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84164

Most of the products Ive added are working fine, but the ones I checked to have a difference in the .jpg and .JPG extensions. In the thread it said you just needed to add a line in the .php but being a little new at this can anyone tell me how to access the area I need to edit?

Thank you.

a link to your store for the page that is not loading right would be helpful. as for that link to the post---that is afairly old thread and for the previous version of IH2 so not sure if it will wokr right.

make sure the images you are loading match...if the main image is a .jpg then its additiona images must also be .jpg Same fot .JPG, maybe it needs all those to be lower case?

16 Apr 2011, 1:23 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Wickedprops:

I am having a problem with loading pics and them showing in image handler but not in my store. I found this thread:

http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84164

Most of the products Ive added are working fine, but the ones I checked to have a difference in the .jpg and .JPG extensions.The issue here is that Unix interprets uppercase and lower case as being different. Therefore .jpg is not the same as .JPG. Change your file names so that the suffixes are the same..

Wickedprops:

In the thread it said you just needed to add a line in the .php but being a little new at this can anyone tell me how to access the area I need to edit?

Thank you.The change suggested in this thread will automatically convert your file extensions from uppercase to lowercase.. I've not tested this particular edit, but others have reported that the suggested change works. The post very clearly which file you need to edit and where the edit needs to be made.. So I'm not sure I understand what it is you are asking here..

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

The issue here is that Unix interprets uppercase and lower case as being different. Therefore .jpg is not the same as .JPG. Change your file names so that the suffixes are the same..

Seriously, we have to conclude that this add-on is not a robust solution.

If you have many hundreds of images to deal with, perhaps it is worth persevering with, but otherwise...

I have tried to interest the developers in making this a better add-on but to no avail. And have been vilified many times for trying.

My advice is not to waste your time if you have less than, say, 200 images.

It is far better to resize them all yourself.

Or waste dozens of hours - as I have - trying to assist when requested (with no thanks but rudeness).

17 Apr 2011, 4:19 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Wanted to update folks.. I just tried and tested the change suggested in this referenced thread, and it appears to work.. :clap:

So I'll update the upcoming release with these changes (pending confirmation of identical results from the folks testing the new release..)

Wickedprops:

I am having a problem with loading pics and them showing in image handler but not in my store. I found this thread:

http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84164

Most of the products Ive added are working fine, but the ones I checked to have a difference in the .jpg and .JPG extensions. In the thread it said you just needed to add a line in the .php but being a little new at this can anyone tell me how to access the area I need to edit?

Thank you.

DivaVocals:

The issue here is that Unix interprets uppercase and lower case as being different. Therefore .jpg is not the same as .JPG. Change your file names so that the suffixes are the same..

The change suggested in this thread will automatically convert your file extensions from uppercase to lowercase.. I've not tested this particular edit, but others have reported that the suggested change works. The post very clearly which file you need to edit and where the edit needs to be made.. So I'm not sure I understand what it is you are asking here..